So, how's Beer Trading going?

1) I agree. People just use Trading General instead. I don't see how this is an argument to turn the comments back on as people will just do it in the ISO/FT again.

2) Nobody has been taken advantage of in that trade, noob or not. That was the point. Why does one bottle have greater value? Because BA's have decided that place where "bottle count" and demand intersect is the end all be all of beer value? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have 128oz of Heady Topper than 11.16oz of KtG.

Beer is meant to be drank, and as long as two parties both get something they want where's the harm? It's just beer man. #firstworldproblems

 

While I would prefer replies enabled, I can fully understand the current situation until you get the forum vendor to fix their bug. Feedback will be awesome. Take your time and DO IT RIGHT!

 

I'm all for the first two!

But I am not in favor of returning to comments (unless they could return without bumping the thread, than maybe...). I've been on this site for 2.5 years - there were no comments in the Trade forum when I joined, and I was STILL fucking terrified 1+ years later when I finally posted my own ISO. But in that time, I did my homework...I watched the trade forums to gauge value and responded to several FTs. New traders need to do that on their own with the plenty of resources available to them. If they choose not to do it, they're not going to do it now, and there's no guarantee they'll do it because their post got shat upon relentlessly (this seems to be the ideal a lot of us hold onto).

The problem with comments in ISOs is that they can't stay on topic...over here you have people who start trying to out-clever one another, and over here are people posting memes, etc. Even the productive posts in the current Trading/General forum at times tend to preface their posts with "Before everyone jumps down your throat, here's some information..." We're quick to pounce on something that doesn't mesh with our own notions of what is fair.

If someone proposes a shit trade, it likely won't get done. If it does, then the other trader either (A) doesn't care about our perceived notion of value, or (B) has a lot to learn. If it's B, then that goes back to my original point...thoughtful traders research these things on their own. We can't bully people into putting in that work.

 

Well then go ahead and care less.
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Another vote for trader feedback and bad trader sticky.

 

First off, please DO NOT add comments back into the ISO:FT, i have taken advantage of so many dumb noobs now that i can't get called out on uneven offers, my wealth is growing dramatically.

Secondly, that feedback thing is also a bad idea.

 

As much as I love (and can't help myself) calling people out on obnoxious ISO:FTs or ridiculously over valuing their beers, not having comments is much better overall. I love piling up "Likes," but after having about 100 taken away from several deleted threads, who cares. Plus Im sure we all like having less to No timeouts.

I agree with the other ideas as well.

 

I agree with many of the aforementioned sentiments, ideas 1 and 2 sound great, as does a feedback system.

I believe comments should come back, people are going to be malcontent simpletons regardless, why not allow for some discourse? number 1 reason comments should come back? asinine posts such as:
http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-12-darkness-rare-iso-bourbon-county-vanilla.46906/

 

return profile comments and wants/gots

 

Since he posted a sarcastic comment 2 posts above you I'm gonna have to go ahead an assume that whole thread is meant in sarcasm too.

 

yeah, I saw that just after I posted mine... however similar statements are all too common recently.

 

True. Looks like he's making a point as to why we should be able to comment on trade threads.

 

exactly, and I agree

 

Don't hold your breath. He used the right word but it was pointed the wrong way.

 

Allow replies. Install moderators willing to keep order, and who know the ropes of trading well enough to do it fairly and well.

Re-install a minimum time requirement for using the ISO/FT. Too many bad traders are new to the site. Too many of the ridiculous trade offers are by folks new to the site.

And for the rest of us - once replies are back, let's make the mods jobs easier by reporting those who post abusively. I know I too am old school, and hesitate to press that report button, but if replies come back I for one will be righteous about it.

 

This one. When I was new here, I learned a lot about beer, trading, and the community through the waiting period. All of that learning made me a better, smarter trader.

 

If it bumps the thread, no replies.

 

Funny how the people asking to bring back posting on ISO:FT threads are notorious for trying to dictate the value of their beers and comment to make sure deals get done that they deem fair.

 

Bad Trader Sticky is a great idea.
-Bad Trader Flag on profile and all posts in iso/ft is a better idea
101 is a great idea too
I am mixed on the replys.
-Maybe make it so they dont bump the thread
-Maybe make it so the op can delete comments at will, thus effectively ending threadshitting.
Edit: Definitely bring back the waiting period to post in the iso forum. It was a great way for the newbs to learn the ropes.

EDIT2: Make it so that users only get 3 REPLY posts a week in the ISO/FT forum. That would make people think twice about posting on every thread commenting about how lopsided it is.

 

Please keep the replies off, and limit people to three ISO/FT's a week.

The argument that replies are needed for the sake of n00bs is tiresome. The fact is, replies give no indication whatsoever that a deal got done. Zero. Even if the involved parties say it did, it's not necessarily true. People can get the answers to their questions by directly communicating with someone. Period. If a n00b can't use this section to ask questions regarding the fairness of a trade, then he shouldn't be trading. You can get any information you need by asking RIGHT...HERE. When I was a n00b...some of the shit that was said in MY threads, was seriously disheartening. The vast majority of it wasn't helpful at all...just hyper critical. People want to reply to serve their own interests more than that of the individual posting the ISO/FT. Quite simply...I don't care even a little bit what anyone thinks of my proposal. You like it and want to get something done? BM me. You don't? Move along. If you think I'm trolling, report the post and file a grievance with management.

If people can't get a grip on trading, then the combination of a Trading 101 sticky as others have suggested, and the ability to come here and openly discuss possibilities before posting an ISO/FT...should be more than sufficient. I truly believe if you limit people to how many ISO/FT's people can post in a week, they'll be much more productive with them. For those that seem to think you need more than 3 a week, you either need seek professional help, or learn to put together an ISO in such a manner that you can kill a few birds with one stone. Anyone who can't accomplish their trading goals with 156 threads a year, should probably consult the Trading 101 post.

The bad trader sticky thread is awesome, so +1 to that.
The idea of letting OP delete comments is also a great idea. Hell, put an option in there so the OP can opt for either allowing replies, or not allowing them.
Another +1 for bringing back a moratorium for new users before they're allowed to post trades. Make it longer than it was last time.
Make bad traders visible. Either change the font color of their screen name or whatever. Create a button on people's profile we can click to initiate a bad trader complaint and allow us to input the situation so others and see it. There needs to be a resolution center, of sorts, where the situation can be laid out, and two parties can respond to one another's gripes, and a way to close the dispute if/when things have been resolved. Make it possible to see if someone's involved in such a dispute. Bad trading can be held to a minimum if there's a medium present to make people fully visible once they're involved in a bad deal.

And a quick thank you for soliciting folks opinions on this...and for the time and effort you're putting into it.

 

Ehh, I don't know about that one. If there's over ISO 100 posts a week and you have any limit on what you can respond to how could that help? You would have wish you commented on a post Monday but saved them for Friday? Or now you can't comment on any post on Thursday because I used my 3 posts on Monday?