Which New England Breweries Will Still Exist in 10 Years?

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Now that I think about it, with so many breweries today, maybe this thread should have been titled, "Which New England Craft Breweries Will NOT Exist in 10 Years".
     
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  2. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    The breweries with fun and unique tap room experiences that are able to right size production to match the market change. The breweries that expanded too much or have a bland brewery experience will be screwed.
     
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  3. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    The "tap room experience" and willingness to go and wait with crowds is what I think will die out. Newer generations will find something else. I'm sure you, Adam Demamp, hope to hell it doesn't go away like me. But I do think its going to shift back in the direction of store bought beer and traditional bars that can capitalize on craft beer, bmc, wine and liquor. We'll enjoy it while it lasts.
     
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  4. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I could honestly see either of these scenarios happening.

    The question is, have we truly started a "beer drinking culture" with tap rooms, akin to bier gardens in Germany?

    Personally, I think it might be a mix of the two, with tap rooms still lasting, but the difference will be that the one's who last are the one's that actually make good beer. There's some stellar tap rooms experiences out there that I rarely go to anymore because I'm sick of trying their repeated mediocre attempts at styles that aren't New England IPAs...and some even suck those too...but for some reason people still line up to go there...
     
  5. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    I don't know. N=1 but I'm done waiting in lines. Period. I'm over any feeling of FOMO from beer. I'm burnt out and jaded on the entire craft beer thing and whatever shitty "scene" has built up around it. A unique tap room experience is still a draw for me. I view it in the same way as a unique restaurant...some are restaurants. Jack's Abby, Notch, Backyard ,CBC, a handful of others that get my repeat business.

    I think an event outing will always be fashionable. Some breweries deliver that. Standing in line at a retail factory fingers crossed that you won't have to wait too long again to get a drink will die out fast. Maybe the younger generations will move on but I think there will always be the space for breweries who do the taproom and brewpub thing right.
     
  6. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    I do think the next 5 years as stated above will tell a lot. For my point now maybe it would be a 10 year thing. I myself am turning 37 shortly. So I am assuming as my daughter grows and we get busier and a bit older I'm sure my trips to the tap rooms will be less frequent and the option for home based stuff after work, kids sports, kids school, my sports(gym, surf, etc) getting out will become a treat at best. What I notice in just my nature of meeting other folks out at tap rooms and just looking around (outside of the immediate city) it tends to be late 20's, more 30's and up. I feel as we all grow that next generation under us that are 21 in a few years might have a whole different outlook on it. Considering the cost of living, tuition and other factors are pressing hard on recent grads.

    Will be interesting to see.
     
  7. Auror

    Auror Pooh-Bah (1,641) Jan 1, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Small clarification: the growth has slowed. Sales are still climbing for craft beer, just at a lesser rate of increase. Less acceleration, not deceleration, if you will. The smallest breweries are seeing the biggest growths as well.
     
  8. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    Yup, but as that line begins to plateau for all, then the changes start to come.
     
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  9. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    It will be interesting. What you said does make sense. I guess I'm banking on the DINKs, like myself, a percentage of the younger crown still getting into craft, the old stalwarts and people who may not be craft beer people but like an event outing to keep things going.
     
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  10. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    One reason I could see lines dying down for can releases is because of the opposite of slowed growth...the fact that there's SO MANY breweries producing New England IPAs, the need to stand in a line is becoming less and less, almost by the week.
     
  11. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    That and the realization that there's really not much different or new to a lot of these breweries or beers. I love NE IPA's (I just bought a ton at Tree House yesterday) but with every new big brewery I go to its less exciting. The beer is great but not much better than I can get pretty much anywhere else now. Do I really want to spend $4-5 on another IPA that tastes just slightly different just because I haven't had it before? Its not pallet fatigue, its just nothing new. The mystique also wears off when you can walk out of Tree House with over 5 cases of beer on a short line vs a year ago waiting in a long line and getting maybe 12 beers.
     
  12. ncuba

    ncuba Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2008 Massachusetts

    I was thinking that this is super hypothetical because not only do you have to estimate "craft" growth but also the timing of how styles rise and fall in popularity, since NEIPAs are so en vogue. Even just shifts in tastes might affect pricing premiums and thus revenue.

    Think that the next recession could really wallop a lot of breweries by increasing price consciousness. Could especially weed out newer places if continuing craft customers become less risky with their beer budget and look more to their reliable standbys, or smaller places with less economy of scale and thus flexibility on pricing.
     
  13. cmoney13

    cmoney13 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2017 Massachusetts

    Literally every NEIPA galaxy bomb tastes roughly 90% the same. Hell I had a great one from Evil Twin and I generally dislike their hoppy beers.
     
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  14. wesinator

    wesinator Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2015 Connecticut

    I know for me personally, I used to make the drive to treehouse 2 or 3 times a month at the old brewery, but now that my career has progressed I just don’t have the time to drive and wait in line. So I think you could say that people might have a window in their lives where they can kill 3-5 hours on Friday night or Saturday and it’s fine, but as they get older their life progresses, and if they don’t live close to the brewery then the thought of it becomes ridiculous and you would rather just pick up something local.

    Also I have to say that what you can find at your local liquor store for craft beer has really improved in the past 2 years. The difference isn’t as great as it once was so why spend so much time and money consistently for a product that is 10-15%better? (also Tree House not having growlers makes me not want to go)

    The fact that Trillium is in a densely populated area probably will help them if times do change
     
  15. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    At least here in VT, I think all the small breweries who make decent beer and are content to stay small will do pretty well. There is even room for more. Too much ambition at the wrong time is what kills many businesses across the board.

    My bold prediction is that The Alchemist will still be around in 10 years:slight_smile:
     
  16. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Pooh-Bah (1,860) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island
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    I'm actually seeing social changes across the board, so while I think mostly the taproom experience winning out I also see @Jbrews point. We have a generation at work around/in the 40s, and even with a lot of us having kids we're ready to throw down during the week for a work or non-work event out at a bar. And that has decreased from years ago when we were even more frequent with being out and about. However all the 20-somethings now are not quite shut-ins but definitely not as active as we were. Just a new generation with easy connectivity without having to visit varying groups of friends in person at different events.

    You see how the movie theater business has changed over time. In order to survive they had to improve the seating comfort, incorporate bars into the facility, etc. They couldn't just Soup **** it any longer and say you'll watch this new release film in your plastic seat and like it. What changed this is other better over the air entertainment options, better home TVs, etc. The demand transitioned at some point and the industry had to react.

    We have or will be hitting that point shortly with breweries. Too many options both down the street at another brewery or in the stores to just wheel out the cases and watch the lines form.
     
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  17. Shyla987

    Shyla987 Zealot (599) Jul 18, 2013 Connecticut

    It's good and interesting to see that no one has really said, "Only the breweries with great beer".

    Many small-ish breweries who make decent or even bad beer will survive because they have become the "townie" bars. I see this all over CT; no one on this forum or ya know, beer nerds in general, buy their beer or visit them, but plenty of people are filling their taprooms. It's sort of how bad pizza places survive; convenience, location, lower price and palates that aren't discerning.
     
  18. icfpny

    icfpny Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 New York

    I honestly wish this were the case.

    Hell, I'm a big believer that the whole NEIPA craze is more tulip nonsense than anything else, but to me the difference between the Green / Double Galaxy tier and their closest competition (think Trillium, Other Half, etc.) is huuuge.
     
  19. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,786) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    This..100x...many taprooms can become the local bar. With the good profit margin on direct to consumer draft beer sales, many smaller places can succeed.
    I also think any larger brewery with decent diversity of beer styles brewed will have a leg up.

    Hazy IPA wont last forever, remember barrel-aged everything?

    Remember when Sip of sunshine was a rarity on shelves?

    How about 120 IBU west coast IPA as the sought after style?

    Things cycle and there are so many examples of new england IPAs out there.
    No need to wait in line if that is what you want. And breweries that cant evolve will disappear.

    Good post @AlcahueteJ
     
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  20. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    This is literally the best post and most collaborative/non conformational thread in the NE forum.

    Even when people completely disagree.
     
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