Reckless Brewing Company: "Black Lagers Matters"

Discussion in 'Beer Releases' started by CB_Michigan, Mar 6, 2019.

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  1. nw2571

    nw2571 Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Are you asking where I might see outrage about everything in life? Well "everything in life" is a bit of hyperbole. But, if you ever watch the news, read partisan blogs on either side, read almost anything on social media, it's hard to say that faux outrage isn't extremely amped up in society today.

    Look I'm merely pointing out the irony of the OP reposting something that's so offensive to him or her that they want to puke when they read it.... Reposting it.
     
  2. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    I posted in another thread as a response to someone who said that this crap rarely happens and to illustrate that “not using the N word” isn’t the same as being inclusive. Lots of anti-inclusive behavior flies under the radar but still keeps my friends away from this whole scene.

    Mods moved it to its own thread. I’m not trying to show I’m “woke,” I’ve just been on the receiving end of enough racism (casual and otherwise) that I’m fine calling out this kind of B.S. I hope this a**hat loses everything, and I have zero remorse about feeling that way.
     
  3. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Pooh-Bah (1,724) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    You're expressing outrage about outrage? Uh ok.
     
  4. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    There was several other deleted posts not being shared here that have been screenshoted and shared in other groups... the guy is a dick, it’s really that simple. The “I’m not like other people” apology made me sympathetic for a minute before I saw the other posts. Sadly, this type of poor judgement has become commonplace in the brewing industry. Some of that might be the very nature of alcohol impairing judgement and the fact that in the industry, we tend to drink a lot of alcohol.

    That said, I still don’t get it. About a year ago, I was approached by a group of African American war veterans asking if I could brew a special beer for their group to help raise awareness of the organization. I jokingly suggested “Black IPA’s Matter.” They loved the idea and I was the one that backtracked due to concerns about how the name could be perceived as belittling something that is so important to some people, especially considering that the perception of craft beer is that it is a “hobby” for white dudes. I can’t imagine a situation in which a thought like this would come to mind, then I would type out the entire post, and still think it was a good idea to “hit send.” At some point, very early on, the initial humor would wear off and better judgment would prevail.
     
  5. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Don’t know what’s in his heart, don’t care. He’s engaging in racist behavior either way. This whole “it was a joke” defense is pretty tasteless when the item being ridiculed is literally about people being killed. Ask yourself this, would you be so quick to rush to the defense of a brewery using Sandy Hook or Parkland or Columbine as a cheap pun? Would you just say “lighten up, people?”
     
  6. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Yes, I keep up on events.

    I hope you understand that the bolded part of your statement is a judgement, especially when you use the words 'faux' and 'outrage'. There are a number of people that are angry about what is going on in America today. And I believe that although anger is neither good nor bad, it CAN be used as in a positive way--as an agent for change, for example. There are many that are speaking up, out of anger, and I personally applaud them for it. If you don't like it, and if all of this so called 'faux outrage' 'about everything in life' makes you angry, then perhaps you could try to understand what it is all about?

    I personally believe what the Reckless Brewing Company owner posted is wrong, and that there is good reason to call him out. And as far as I'm concerned, here's nothing 'fake' or 'outrageous' about that.
     
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  7. nw2571

    nw2571 Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    I certainly wasn't rushing to this guy's defense. It obviously was an attempt at a joke, are you disputing that? I even called the post ignorant and tone deaf, which in my opinion it is. My comments are more about the appropriateness of the reactions to it.

    I guess I just don't see the value in posting it on yet another website if it truly is so offensive. I'm offended by KKK propaganda. I don't see the need to repost it on the internet to tell everyone it's offensive.
     
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  8. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    I think it’s funny.
     
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  9. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    So what if he does 'repost it on the internet'? Why does his decision to repost it seem to bother you so much? I invite you to consider: perhaps CB_Michigan is a mirror for you, and the so-called 'faux outrage' is your own?
     
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  10. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    Exposure is the best cure. Shoving these things under the rug and not talking about them because "they're offensive" is what doesn't have any value. The way to fix this is to have it out on an open forum and discussed.
     
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  11. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Out of curiosity: what do you think is funny?
     
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  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I can't see any of the facebook posts being referenced so I'm not sure what really is being talked about, but I think the phrase 'Black Lagers Matter' is funny. It's a play on a hot button phrase. And the issue of black lagers underrepresentation on the american beer scene is a source of consternation for many. I'm assuming there's lots of more ignorant and thoughtless stuff in the FB posts that he had to apologize for but I don't see why the phrase 'black lagers matter' can't be kinda funny
     
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  13. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    If a brewery were engaging in that kind of stuff, I'd want to know about it, and this would be an appropriate forum for making it known.
    The outrage comes from the fact that I have friends who enjoy craft beer but feel unwelcome at many craft breweries on account of the thoughtless racism they encounter. I've posted on a couple of threads (the Founders lawsuit one, the Beer Kulture one) about what my friends have encountered. In most (if not all) cases, it's NOT motivated by hating black people, it's just ignorant and usually followed by "relax, it's just a joke" as if my friends are the ones in the wrong. And them saying "Dude, that's just not funny" shouldn't be met with an agitated "Why are you getting so worked up about this?" The lack of racist intent doesn't make it any easier for my friends to deal with it. I'm just so fed up with it.
     
  14. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    The original post, and your reaction.
     
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  15. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Pooh-Bah (1,724) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    Whoa hold up, this is pretty much THE discussion site for anything and everything beer related, definitely not "yet another website" the way you're throwing it out there.
     
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  16. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    And l don't mean to single you out on this, but I have heard that phrase more times than you can imagine and it's just not an acceptable excuse. It's a convenient way of deflecting blame (it's so-and-so's fault for taking it the wrong way) and evading responsibility.

    It's like me tossing a can of beer and hitting you in the face. "Sorry man, I saw you headed to the fridge, thought I'd get one for you." OK, you might brush it off once, maybe twice, but if I did it on a regular basis? I'm guessing you'd get pretty tired of having to duck, and the "save you a trip to the fridge" line would probably ring hollow, huh? You might even think I'm an a**hole. "But that wasn't my intent, I was just trying to be a good host. Why can't you just catch better?" Oh, and instead of just happening at my house, it happens at a bunch of people's houses.
     
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  17. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    Anything can be kinda funny. But a lot of parents worry when their kids leave home for school, for work, for church, to hang out with friends, wherever, that they might be murdered by police. Making a pun out of that to market beer seems in bad taste. And to do so as a business is a pretty clear statement that you don’t give a shit about the business of the people you offend.
     
  18. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    And how exactly, is it funny? What are your judgements?
     
  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Ya I can definitely see thinking its in bad taste. Not the best business decision. I still think it's a funny pun
     
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  20. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    I could explain it to you, but then again, it would be better if you figured it out on your own by simply reading all of the posts that are in this thread. If you still don't understand after doing that, then get back to us and I'm sure someone will help you out.

    Cheers!
     
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