Molson Coors stock dragged down by double downgrade

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  1. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Memories of home is a strong pull.
     
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  2. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Advertising and vacation memories.
     
  3. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico


    So to me, I'm not entirely sure who they are marketing these to... If your an immigrant, or even a 3rd generation Mexican-American, I'm not sure how it is that you are very interested in paying double to a company that is attempting to appropriate your culture into their own portfolio. When Ska did this, it kinda made sense to me considering where they were and that they were clearly targeting a wealthier outdoorsy clientele that was in their area during the summer months. For others, I'm just not sure what they are trying to accomplish and what clientele they are going after. I have to assume that the idea is that because Mexican imports are hot right now, they should try to emulate those instead of just calling it a craft American lager.

    Beer is our number 3 seller. We do very little to promote much other than intermittent social media campaigns. Oh, and the brewers do a lot of the selling of it in our tap room by drinking 2+ bbls a week of it... no joke.
     
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  4. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico

    Modelo Group brews Corona, Pacifico, Dos Equis, Carta Blanca... a bunch of the Mexican Imports.
     
  5. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    "Corona Extra is a pale lager produced by Cervecería Modelo in Mexico for domestic distribution and export to all other countries besides the United States, and by Constellation Brands in Mexico for export to the United States. The Corona brand is one of the top-selling beers worldwide. Outside Mexico, Corona is commonly served with a wedge of lime or lemon in the neck of the bottle to add tartness and flavor {and hide the skunk}.

    In the US, Corona Extra is the top selling imported drink."

    -- source
     
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  6. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I'm pretty sure the only one I know of that isn't an AAL is Negro Modela, which they call a Munich Dunkel Lager (I seem to remember some people quibbling about the legitimacy of that designation though). I don't know about Victoria, but Modela Especiale and Pacifico both call themselves pilsners and are brewed with corn which should make them count as AALs.

    edit: some googling seems to indicate that you're right about Victoria, but it appears to be the odd man out.
     
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  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, in the US, Constellation owns the rights to the Modelo brands and brews them in Mexico in their own breweries.
    [​IMG]

    In Mexico, the original Grupo Modelo is owned by AB-InBev.

    Dos Equis and Carta Blanca are owned by Heineken, via their ownership of Cervecería Cuauhtémoc Moctezuma. Sol, another Heineken-owned brand is now imported by MillerCoors as their entry in the "Mexican lager" segment.

    From the official US import figures, it is hardly a "renewed" interest. Mexican imports have been rising since, at least, the mid-1990s.

    1994 - 1.6 million barrels
    2011 - 14.2 million barrels

    In 2018, Constellation alone sold over 21 million barrels of beer in the US (with their domestic ex-craft breweries, accounting for a mere 2% or so of that barrelage). So they've got about 10% of the total US market - behind only AB and MC. Corona was the #5 beer in the US, and Modelo Especial was #7.
     
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  8. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico


    Thanks for the clarification/factcheck.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, in a past thread Patrik (@Crusader) posted about Modelo Negra :

    “The European label lists the ingredients as: barley malt, rice, papain and antioxidant ascorbic acid, caramel color E150, stabilizer E405.”

    I responded:

    “Given Patrik's information I would suggest that the contemporary Modelo Negra is neither a Vienna Lager or a Munich Dunkel.”

    Permit be to suggest that the appropriate beers style name for Modelo Negra is that it is an American Amber Adjunct Lager.

    Cheers!

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...lager-can-shootout.607232/page-2#post-6406404
     
  10. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Haha well that explains why Victoria and modelo negra are the only Mexican beers I drink with any regularity. And I am definitely still confused about why people are paying premium prices for these mediocre imports
     
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  11. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Thank you for that good sir.

    And for the life of me I don't know why I can never remember how to say/write to Modelo Negra properly :flushed:
     
  12. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    For what it's worth, I actually do enjoy a Corona or Modelo Especial from time to time at a bar. And I do find them to taste different than the Buds, Bud Lights...etc. of the world.

    This was many years ago, but a group of my friends and I performed a blind tasting of AALs. I recall there being Bud, Coors Original, MGD and/or High Life, Pabst, Schlitz, Black Label, and Corona (there might have been more or less, it was awhile ago).

    We also threw a Hofbrau Original in there (or a Hacker Pschorr, I can't recall). But it did terribly, it was likely very old, and I never checked dates then.

    Anyways, the Corona won, and my buddy who regularly drinks Corona could pick it out. And no, we didn't put a lime in the blind samples.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    While I enjoy Modelo Especial I am not a fan of Corona.

    It would appear that your palate and my palate is 50/50?

    Cheers!
     
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  14. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    No sarcasm at all. I think the Bud Light ads changed the mainstream conversation around beer and were quite effective in shaming Coors Light and Miller Lite as "inferior" products. I've heard sentiments along the lines of "rice natural and good; corn syrup artificial and bad" expressed multiple times by macro pale lager drinkers in real life since then. The flailing freakout of a response by Molson Coors strongly suggests that the ads hit their mark successfully.
     
  15. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Funny. Myself and my father recently did a blind tasting. He loves his modelo cans. Maybe $0.90/can if you buy big format. We went against some Budweiser I was gifted. Nearly identical. He's now buying 30 packs.

    There's no harm in going back to your routes.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Route 66?:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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  17. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    HA! I was going to ask him if his dad was 66! :sunglasses:
     
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