Black Lives Matter @BeerAdvocate

I agree that socioeconomic status is linked. It's what's known as a social determinant. We can discuss its effects on health outcomes, educational attainment, etc. It can even lead to disproportionate policing on low income communities as your links suggest. I don't think anyone's contesting that claim.

The topic of this thread, however, is about the unjust killings of black folks at the hands of cops. Basically modern lynchings. We can discuss the individual actions that led to the police confrontation in a different post if you like, but the outcome of such a confrontation should not result in death, but that's what's happening. There's so much evidence of this, I'm surprised it's even up for discussion.

Also, since some folks are likely going to pull an ad-hom, I speak as a POC who's had to deal with implicit bias my whole life.

 

I do agree that white folks should take more time to listen to POC voices. In this particular niche interest of craft beer and given the demographics of the industry, I'm going to guess we wouldn't see much activity in this thread if we were to impose the limitations you suggest. I welcome anyone who wants to be an ally.

 

I have absolutely no interest in debating this point so I will not however you might find this article interesting as it is relevant to the point you are making; I think you may take something useful from it:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/25/is-capitalism-racist

Anyway, best wishes to everyone in these turbulent times.

There is a discussion to be had on this topic but BA is not that place imo. Much love to everyone here. I love BA because in general color isn't an issue unless we are arguing about how hazy some beer should be.

 

I just used anarchists and nihilists as an example because it was the first thing to come to mind when it comes lawlessness. I know it isnt BLM or the associated groups who want to see their cities burn. Clearly it is a group that does not want improvement, they want demolition. The fact that, in many cases, white people are the ones throwing rocks at businesses in a black community speaks volumes. I'll just leave it at that.

 

That's cool. You do you. If you think your friends and family are bastards because they wanted to be a public safety officer then so be it. I'm blessed enough to love my entire family regardless of their profession (yes, even you, Jack...get a job you losah! )

 

No, sorry they can’t escape it any easier from WVa than they can escape from say Detroit. My wife’s family is from Monanga WVA and she was born there, for most there’s no easy way out regardless of race. When your buried your kinda buried.

 

Chris Rock sums it up nicely for everyone arguing that’s not how poverty stricken white people feel they don’t feel privilege. Starting about the 2:05 mark, but the whole bit is quite true.

 

That was a long winded way of saying "I don't understand exactly what the term White Priviledge means"

I will try to help you out on this one as best I can.
It means that in a country that is majority white and tailored for whites, your skin color is not an impediment as you try to go about your daily life. If you get pulled over by a cop, you dont have to worry if it is because you are white. If you get turned down for that job, you dont have to worry if it is because you are white. If your neighbors are hostile towards you, you dont have to worry if it is because you are white. If your co workera question how you got your position or question your intelligence you dont have to ask is it because you are white. If you get followed in the store, you do t have to question if it is because you are white.

Hope this makes sense.....

 

In the interest of staying on topic and clarifying what you mean as it pertains to this topic, are you saying that there are no ways nearly all white people benefit in society? Would you say that you disagree entirely with ALL of the ways white people don't experience discomfort due to their race that I posted? I'm not asking if you disagree with the phrasing or use of the word "privilege," but if you disagree with the idea/observation that being white is beneficial in a variety of ways.

 

Talking about one specific aspect of privilege is not the same as oversimplifying.

 

People who disagree that fascism is bad are fascists, tho. QED.

 

As the resident Rev of BA let me say unequivocally: thank you Todd and black lives matter!

 

I think that just reflects the utter anger people are feeling right now. A lot of this thread is essentially a bunch of privileged white guys (myself included), whether they want to admit that or not, talking about race in a very removed, academic way. What I’m hearing from people of color is that they don’t really give a fuck if this makes you uncomfortable, and we just need to shut up and listen for once. This is a daily lived experience for millions of people and they don’t need to explain it or justify it to you or anyone else. They aren’t looking for your approval. That’s what I’m getting from the voices I’m hearing these days, including @tzieser (and I am NOT trying to speak for anyone, this is just what I’m hearing). It’s not a call to unity. It’s a call for an immediate and permanent end to this shit.

 

Being white is imo obviously an advantage, but there are limitations there too. If you live in rural WVa, or Ky, MS I doubt you’ll feel that privilege. But yes as a kid who grew up middle class in suburban Philly you bet, it’s there. Depends on where you live here too, it’s a variable.

 

I agree with your statement, however when the majority of the people are saying this is the only part of the argument we can have and if you think anything differently plays into this you are a fascist it makes it very difficult to take some of these people seriously. That myopic view of racism in America is absolutely over simplified.

 

That's sort of the definition of privilege: you're unaware you have it. But take a rural white person from those places, stick them in an airport, and they're not being targeted as terrorists/gang members/illegal immigrants, simply because they're the "right" color of Americans. They've faced the worst oppression from... fellow whites!

 

What you're talking about here is class inequality, which absolutely has disproportionately affected Appalachia more than other areas. But that exists separate and simultaneous to White Privilege.

 

Couldn’t have said it any better (in fact, I did not say it any better lol).

Saying “white people shut up” does not mean I don’t care for their opinion or value them as a human. It just means now is not the time. White people may have sympathy or empathy for the problems this country has been facing but it is just factually impossible to actually live a day in the shoes of a colored person therefore you should consider shelving your opinion or viewpoint on the subject since you have know firsthand knowledge of what it’s like to not get a job, not get a rise, not getting picked for the team, getting the B when rest of your group got an A, not getting accepted to the better college, getting arrested at a house party when all of your white friends got let go; I could go on for days.


Just do more listening, less talking. That’s all I meant. Cheers, all.