Proposed CAN Size To Alleviate Current CANcerns

Ah yes, I was quite fond of the Kiste system as well, which was great for hosting parties. Just load those "milk" cartons into the car or on your group's bicycles and get going back to the dormitory!

 

I get the push toward pint (16oz) cans due to more beer for less aluminum. I don't really understand how the 8.5oz slimlight can would save on aluminum. Seems like almost the same amount of aluminum as a 12oz beer, which like other have said would be packaging at 8.5oz without a discount in price. Yes, I would prefer the two rather than one beer in the 8.5oz format, but for double the price? I don't think that is a move forward.
When volume of a cylinder is =πr2h the only way I see for brewers to cut cost of aluminum would be increase radius and height which would lead to more 16oz beers. The world we live in.

Definitely agree with the drive to avoid bottles and keep improving the variety and novelty of beers produced.

 

Did Francis drink beer? He's the mule that I would trust if he did. Only oldies will get that reference.

 

Was gonna say money as in same price for less beer. Not sure about cost though - does packaging (aluminum) cost more than beer?

 

I will sell upgrade kits to convert these to coolers...

On topic, I confess (or CANfess) that I enjoy 12 ounce and 16 ounce cans for lower ABV beers, but I want the option to stopper the bottle of a high ABV beer that a can doesn't give me. So...high ABV in a smaller can could possibly CANvince me, but the math is undeniable
The product to package ratio is not exactly earth friendly. I wish I knew my company's total product cost better, but I do know that the smaller packages are less profitable in a business with a low margin already (Consumer Packaged Goods, specifically fruit juices).

 

The comparison is not straightforward. Many early craft brewers tried keg only to avoid the complications of bottling. Can and bottle lines for craft are expensive. But so is the brewing -- and unused capacity is often fatal for a brewery. More production drives average cost down. So a relatively large investment in packaging might result in an increased volume that adds to profit. For large brewers, packaging is probably more expensive than the beer that goes into it. But the bottle and can lines are a necessity.

 

Yeah. It’s a Woody thing. I get a kick out of it… and love his dedication. @woodychandler

 

8 oz cans for 9%+
12 oz cans for 6%-8%
16 oz cans for 5% or less

 

My CANcurrent CANsiderations and CANcomitant CANcerns dictate that I CANnot CANtemplate disagreement with OP.

 

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They're expensive and there's already thousands of canning lines designed for 12 or 16 ounce cans. It's not as easy as just running 8 ounce cans through those lines. New seamers, fill head conversions, lane width, etc.

 

I'm curious if you know whether the same canning machine can do 12 and 16 ounce cans with minimal adjustments to switch between those sizes?

 

And to piggyback on this question, what about the 19.2 oz cans (seems to be same width as those)?

 

My thought as well. 24 is prefect. Rarely do I just drink 1 beer. So pour a glass and put the open can in the fridge so it doesn’t get too warm. Then come back when ready.

Or perfect size to split with a friend.

 

A lot depends on which machine a brewery buys. Some are relatively easy, others not changeable at all. 2 breweries in my town have the exact same machine, one set up for 12, the other 16's. Buying the other needed stuff to switch doesn't make financial sense, so each sticks with what they've got.

 

A few can. Mine would take about 30 minutes to change over and adjust. It was designed to do so. The most common lines used by craft breweries are not designed to do that, but it is a feature that's becoming more available with model updates by manufacturers. There are challenges with having lines set up for multiple sizes as far as getting the fine adjustments of the lid pick height correct and adjusting the seamer so I'd say in that sense, a dedicated line for each size is better. Tiny adjustments can make a canning day that is perfect of a canning day that is a complete nightmare, so less moving parts is far better for the operator. We've got our's dialed in well, but we've also been using it for 3 years and I train other breweries on how to use this model.

In addition to the canning line itself, you need some different packout equipment (unless you do manual packout the way many small breweries do) and a different twist rinser that can accommodate multiple can sizes. Those cost a few thousand dollars, which I guess isn't much in the grand scheme of a having a $100k canning line, but it's still something.

 

Bottles are not a big part of sand consumption. Bottles can be recycled with little need for new sand. The big worry is consumption in concrete.

 

Still not old enough. CAN for him yes, CAN-CAN not for me.

But on to CANtent!

Btw I'm early today, 4:30 in the morning, first holiday day. Going to the 24/7 grocery store, returning some cans, some plastic bottles and some heavy and sonorous glass bottles...

Long live both the can and the CAN!

 

I CANcour.