The Craft Beer Cometh

Discussion in 'United Kingdom & Ireland' started by Zimbo, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. RendoMike

    RendoMike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 England

    Well, being an American I was speaking as such. The era of golden lager refers to the time when the only choice of beer most Americans and Canadians had was the mass produced golden lager.

    The UK went through something similar, but with ales. Thanks to CAMRA, the big companies and mass-produced beer were kept at bay.
     
  2. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    To be fair when I was doing most of my early drinking in the late 90s and early 00s most of what was on offer in pubs and bars for people my age was about three choices of shit lager and maybe one or two of kilkenny, caffreys or mcewans 80 (which I still maintain was a good pint god-damn it, better than cally 80 at least which I have never had a good one of) and the ubiquitous Guinness.

    Although I can't attest to Mr Papazian bringing us out of that. If he did, then thank you. OR maybe it was me growing up a bit and going to better pubs and bars.
     
  3. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Pooh-Bah (2,053) Jan 29, 2012 England
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    Yes, but I'm not a proper teacher, especially as I have no qualifications in teaching or in English language. I'm more like a human tape recorder. It's a pretty weird job but it's enjoyable, apart from having to say everything with an American accent. It's probably why I have a slight aversion to American terminology.
     
  4. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I saw today that not only Greene King IPA is hand "crafted" but so is Old Speckled Hen.As beer doesn't make itself presumably all of it has to be crafted.Silly expression just waiting to be hijacked.
     
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  5. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    It's not really because "craft beer" doesn't just refer to a beer that has been crafted. For example to be a craft brewery as defined by the US brewers association (or whatever its name is) a brewery must produce 6 million barrels per year or less, and it must not have more than 25% of it owned by a non-craft brewery.
     
  6. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Pooh-Bah (2,053) Jan 29, 2012 England
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    Well, it's not like I can go around the colonies stapling everyone's mouths shut :wink:
     
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  7. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Pooh-Bah (2,053) Jan 29, 2012 England
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  8. RendoMike

    RendoMike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 England

    I figured. It gave me a good chuckle.
     
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  9. ImperialStoat

    ImperialStoat Initiate (0) May 20, 2009 Ireland

    Oh, right. I have a friend doing something similar in Busan. Sounds like an interesting, albeit weird job. Thanks for the information.
     
  10. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    Regret as much as you might like about it but 'craft' is pretty well imbedded when discussing new brewers in the last 5 years or so. And as much as some people might want to be a Marquis fan boy, this is the reality which no amount of head in the sand denial is going to chase away.
    We should be celebrating how beer is evolving in the UK, irrespect of the diction, instead lamenting change like a rabble of nit picking malcontents at a CAMRA AGM.
     
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  11. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    That's why I vastly prefer the idea of CAMRGB than CAMRA.
     
  12. ImperialStoat

    ImperialStoat Initiate (0) May 20, 2009 Ireland

    Campaign for Really Great Beer?
     
  13. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    Yeah basically:
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  14. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    That's the one.

    CAMRA is a spent force. It saved the UK public from mass uniform bland manufactured beer. Too bad it couldn't save itself from itself.
     
  15. ImperialStoat

    ImperialStoat Initiate (0) May 20, 2009 Ireland

    I'm in full agreement where CAMRA's current stance is concerned, though I'm loathe to criticise it given all its previous good work.
     
  16. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    I think it still has a place, the only shame is it will still put more effort in promoting a cask beer even if it's rubbish, but out of outdated principals will put no effort into promoting small keg based brewers.

    Though I agree in a way, there are way too many bland "real ales", a prime example being most "Christmas beers".
     
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  17. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    I don't have any real issues with their current stance either. Like everyone here I'm indebted to CAMRA. Its just that they seem useless in making any sort of meaningful connection with the new generation of beer drinker. Its like trying to convince a digital native with a sandwich board.
     
  18. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    LOL. You wish.

    Hilarious that you're still peddling this "craft beer" mince at the very moment when in America the Brewers Association's bullshit is starting to collapse around their ears.
     
  19. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    We live in the UK, craft beer has never been as strong here. Same in the US actually. Craft beer output is at an all time high rate of growth, when overall beer (i.e. including macrolager) sales are falling.
     
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  20. RendoMike

    RendoMike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 England

    I always thought I just didn't get it with the Christmas and Winter real ales, with Winter beer fests always being a huge disappointment. Discussion with locals at the fests always turned into me being an American and not understanding the complexities of real ale.

    What?
     
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