Thoughts on cellaring, collecting, hoarding, trading and selling beer

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  1. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    So I am newer to BA and loving it. I am not new to the passion of enjoying wine and beer and have been enjoying, cellaring and sharing for over 10 years for both wine and beer. However, I see a lot of people have major issues with cellaring, "collecting", hoarding and selling beer on and off of here and have not really ever seen this in the wine community. I am sure some people will be nice to my post and others will be jerks but that's ok, I am a big boy and can take it but I truly want to understand why you have certain opinions for or against. Please be constructive.

    Now I understand that wines do not have as much of the "limited", brewed once, etc types of stuff but there are sooooooo many people on BA that have issues with people buying multiples of various brews and the extent of which they go to accumulate these brews. I also see some having issues with people buying and then trying to resell for a profit.

    Now I totally respect everyone's opinions as we are all able to have them and am not looking down on anyone based on their opinions. But I am just confused by some. First, I agree with people who say that there should be bottle limits on various brews so one person is not able to go to a local store and buy an abundance of one release thereby limiting it for other locals. However, what is wrong with them going to other stores around their area and getting more? To me it does not matter why they are doing this whether to hoard for themselves, to trade or sell. At the end of the day MY belief is that we live in the USA where capitalism is the driving force and backbone in our economy and how you spend your money really is none of my business as long as it is not illegal in the eyes of our government.

    What is the difference between trading and selling your brews? At the end of the day, you paid "x" for your beer and the other person paid "y" for theirs and you are trading, so in essence it is the same as buying with cash, just calling it something different. The second part of this is when someone buys a brew to then sell for more later. This is a little more of a heated debate area but obviously happens as well in other areas outside of beer. This just happened recently with the Westy Brick and Bolt Cutter. I saw Bolt Cutter in my area on Craigslist for $100!!! I was dumbfounded. Others listed the Westy Brick on eBay for $700. Not my cup of tea but if people buy it then apparently there is a market. No one is forcing anyone to buy them and it's not like holding medicine you need to survive for ransom. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. The market will then dictate what happens.

    When I see something I really like or that is limited I will buy a few to try now and then hold the others for a later date to see if it has changed, etc and then keep a couple possibly to trade others for things I can't get in my area or things that are older and no longer available. I see nothing wrong with this but some call this collecting. What I also do is look at the top 100 and other lists to try and pursue these brews to try and experience both by myself and with friends. If they are on these lists many people have thought they were good so this is why I would like to try them as well. Again, some call this collecting. But then why have these lists?

    I dunno, but this has bothered me for the last couple of weeks. We see this on the "Post your haul" forum and other areas. At the end of the day, we are talking about beer which I believe should be shared with friends and family. My favorite time is when I can have people over to try different things I have in my cellar!! In fact I have 3 guys coming over tonight for just that! Well, I look foward to your thoughts and comments!
     
    #1 krl2112, Dec 26, 2012
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  2. LadyOfMuchBeer

    LadyOfMuchBeer Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2011 Texas

    The only issue I think the public has with selling beer is when it is sold for profit because of it's demand. Of course, the site has to be against selling beer, because it is illegal.

    Tickers gotta tick
    Hoarders gotta hoard
    Haters gonna hate.
     
    #2 LadyOfMuchBeer, Dec 26, 2012
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  3. cubbyswans

    cubbyswans Zealot (623) Jun 10, 2008 Missouri

    You contradict yourself...

    Which one is actually your belief? Some people believe your latter belief much more strongly than your initial belief, or they don't believe your initial belief applies to beer for some dumb reason. They believe it so strongly that they feel they should be included on everyone else in the world's friends and family list.
     
    #3 cubbyswans, Dec 26, 2012
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  4. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Probably because it looks selfish and sort of against the community aspect of the beer culture. Wine is much different but beer seems to be assimilating their trends because of the recent spike in artisan brewers and collectors.
     
    #4 BearsOnAcid, Dec 26, 2012
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  5. LadyOfMuchBeer

    LadyOfMuchBeer Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2011 Texas

    replace "uptight" with "entitled". Covers half of this community, too drunk to care covers much of the other half. :wink:
     
    #5 LadyOfMuchBeer, Dec 26, 2012
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  6. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Maven (1,391) Mar 23, 2008 California

    It's annoying that people buy up all the beer to cellar or resell, because those of us that prefer to drink the beer can't get any.

    Now, I'm not gonna do anything about it beyond complaining about in the appropriate thread on BA, but it's still annoying.
     
    #6 tjensen3618, Dec 26, 2012
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  7. Derranged

    Derranged Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 New York

    I am the latter for sure.
     
    #7 Derranged, Dec 26, 2012
  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    The horse is dead
     
    #8 jlordi12, Dec 26, 2012
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  9. jaybags

    jaybags Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2012 Michigan

    you must not have a good understanding of capitalism, hoarder
     
    #9 jaybags, Dec 26, 2012
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  10. drabmuh

    drabmuh Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2004 Maryland

    as a hoarding ticker full of hate I endorse this message. Beer is serious business, just like every other hobby. This is a consumer based hobby...it is relatively easy to get people to be upset that they didn't get the chance to buy the latest and greatest beer. The forums are used to fan the flames of hype and rarity and increase the value of things, the entitlement comes with that.
     
    #10 drabmuh, Dec 26, 2012
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  11. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Did not contradict myself. Two different statements for different areas of my post. I believe both.
     
    #11 krl2112, Dec 26, 2012
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  12. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia

    What's a ticker?
     
    #12 rvajohn, Dec 26, 2012
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  13. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Thanks for being constructive. LOL
     
    #13 krl2112, Dec 26, 2012
  14. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Somebody whose goal in life is to try as many beers as possible.
     
    #14 jlordi12, Dec 26, 2012
  15. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    Someone who ticks off every beer they try in an effort to be able to say they have tried everything.
     
    #15 CellarGimp, Dec 26, 2012
  16. sibhuskyx

    sibhuskyx Devotee (384) Jun 2, 2008 New Jersey

    Here's a difference between the wine world and the beer world: beer is repeatable. With wine there is an understanding that good vintage are rare and special things. Everyone goes into other knowing that. With beer people are used to the idea that beers will beon the shelf. When someone takes things off of the shelf it runs against this tradition of availability and that makes some members of the beer community feel uncomfortable.
     
    #16 sibhuskyx, Dec 26, 2012
  17. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    you saw bolt cutter selling for $100? Or an asking price of $100?

    Westy bricks selling for $700?


    I think people should do.... whatever. Knock yourselves out. Still plenty of Smuttynose IPA for me over here, you guys beat eachother to death for a case of Bolt Cutter or whatever other nonsense is flavor-of-the-week.
     
    #17 ShogoKawada, Dec 26, 2012
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  18. LadyOfMuchBeer

    LadyOfMuchBeer Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2011 Texas

    In the same sense that people who want to cellar are upset they cannot buy the beer they want to cellar because people are drinking it all up! :sunglasses:

    Most people I witness buying large quantities of anything are looking out for regular trading partners first, and friends who cannot get out and beer shop, and yeah..some just want to hoard the stuff.
     
    #18 LadyOfMuchBeer, Dec 26, 2012
  19. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I have another question for you:

    A month ago you said

    and

    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/question-about-buying-multiples-of-limited-releases.51070/

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    Today you post:
    Have your views evolved or changed? Why? What made you come to this decision?
     
    #19 ShogoKawada, Dec 26, 2012
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  20. krl2112

    krl2112 Pooh-Bah (1,876) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Agreed, in fact i have a bunch of friends that call each other when they find out about something else coming available. For instance I was at a store last week when the 50/50 Eclipse bottles came out and I put a group on hold for friends.
     
    #20 krl2112, Dec 26, 2012
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