Are “Mexican Stouts” actually Chile Beers?

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What style should “Mexican Stouts” that use peppers be listed as?

  1. Chile Beer

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  2. Imperial Stout

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  1. DoctorZombies

    DoctorZombies Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,887) Feb 1, 2015 Florida
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    Bravo! A thoughtful reply. As Marie purportedly exclaimed before the blade dropped, “Let Them Drink Mexican Cake!”…Cheers!
     
  2. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    For me, Chile beers were always of a lighter style with a huge chile / peppery component as THE main focus of the beer. IS with chile’s was always an IS, chiles might be prominent but it was typically part of a larger profile.

    Also, I think there are way too many chile stouts these days. What was once innovative is now, might I even say, lazy. Even CCB who was one of the originators with Huna now puts chiles in like half or more of their El Cat beers.
     
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  3. wet_hopz

    wet_hopz Initiate (121) Sep 2, 2021

    What about a beer with pumpkin and chili, a la New Belgium’s Atomic Pumpkin
     
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  4. defunksta

    defunksta Grand Pooh-Bah (4,164) Jan 18, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Personally find the chili flavor off-putting so avoid these. Therefore, I am in the camp of Chile Beer so I don't accidently run into the chiles in a stout.
     
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  5. MadMadMike

    MadMadMike Grand Pooh-Bah (3,555) Dec 11, 2020 France
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    Keep jalepeños out my IPA!
     
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  6. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Chaos!
     
  7. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, what @REVZEB said :wink:
     
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  8. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    IMO chile beer shouldn’t even be a style. It’s just “name the actual style” with an added ingredient provide spice. Should be labeled accurately by the brewer that the lager, stout, ale variety etc has jalepeno, habenero, chilie added.
     
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  9. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Maybe Todd should create a new beer style “Chaos”, and throw all the abominations in there to help kill themselves off.
     
  10. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    On one hand yes logically this makes sense. However I lean the more styles the better so I like having them separate, plus I don’t want to be looking at the top pale ales and have a bunch of fruit beers in the way
     
  11. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    If the brewery labels it stout, it's a stout.
     
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  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I can just rename Milkshake IPA.
     
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  13. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I'm an endorser of chili beers all day & night. Inline with @Todd's reply, My finding is that for a chili beer, chili pepper has to be the main added ingredient other than beer itself. If chili is one of many added flavors/FX then IMHO it wouldn't go into the chili beer category. When I try a new chili beer I sort of expect a lot of chili taste over top of the beer. But when I go for a Mexican Stout w/ chili I know the pepper will be (usually) more subdued. In all, I prefer very hot Chili Lagers and am happy I found Kros Strain Habanero Jalapeno Lager. Cheers!
     
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  14. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Boom! There it is!
     
  15. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Does a chile milkshake ipa exist and how awful is it?
     
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  16. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I would not endorse that...:nerd:
     
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  17. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    So awful it turns to diarrhea before it even touches your lips….
     
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  18. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I think that there are a few style labels - chili beer being one of them - that are holdovers from a simpler time. Milk/Sweet stout, oatmeal stout, fruit and field beer, rye beer, herb and spice beer, smoked beer ... these are all less beer types, and more treatments that are applied to a variety of beers in a modern context. (To say nothing of the evolution of IPA sub-styles, amber ales, kettle sours, et al.)

    Take milk and oatmeal stouts. Is a 14% ABV imperial stout aged in three different barrels over 22 months along with chocolate, chilies, vanilla, flaked oats, lactose, and rye ... well, any of those sub-styles? Or is it just an imperial stout? Yet, it could easily be labeled a milk/sweet stout, especially if it's a pastry stout - and some people here have flat out declared it should be a chili stout, as though chili is the trump card of additives. (Maybe it is?)

    Rye has been added to various IPAs and stouts; that doesn't make them rye beers ... or does it? :wink:

    Brewers are more innovative than ever before (for better or worse), and crossing style lines to the point that it's nearly impossible to definitively classify some of them. (Even here, we have New England IPA, and Imperial IPA, but not Imperial New England IPA ... yet, anyway. :wink: )

    There's never going to be a perfect fit, but I think some of the confusion and consternation comes from a time with far less variety, when adjuncts and additives were exceptions, not the norm - and so it became easy to classify a beer as a rye beer, or a chili beer, or an oatmeal stout, because that inclusion was abnormal and inherently noteworthy. I personally like an approach like what you recommend, where the additives or adjuncts are merely noted instead of definitive (unless they are definitive to the style, such as wheat in a Hefeweissen - but that's different than adding wheat to your IPA, which remains an IPA). An amber ale with jalapenos is, under that concept, not a chili beer; it's an amber ale with jalapenos.
     
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  19. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Just a note, I'm not disagreeing with your post. Though Milk/Sweet Stouts, and especially Oatmeal Stouts have a history as British styles. They aren't historically these junk styles American brewers are making now :slight_smile: A good Oatmeal Stout on cask is a beautiful thing.
     
  20. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Experienced a good OS on cask again recently and was reminded how satisfying it truly is!
     
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