Pilsner Showdown – a blind tasting

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is a video of Nate Lanier (Tree House Brewing) blind tasting six different Pilsners: one Bohemian/Czech Pilsner and five German Pilsners. This tasting once again illustrates how the perceptions of a given beer will change over time as the beer warms/opens up; first impressions are not always consistent with later impressions.

    For the interested student who would like to read more about what differentiates the differing types of Pilsners (e.g., Bohemian/Czech Pilsner vs. German Pilsner):

    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/Pilsen_Beer

    Cheers!

     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    What a great day that would have been to drink and compare all of those great examples!
     
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  3. cg123

    cg123 Zealot (548) Feb 27, 2012 Ohio
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    This guy and these sips. Drink the fucking beer.
     
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  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Hmm. I know he didn't really tell us how much he was perceiving, but diacetyl in Pilsner Urquell is not a fault.
     
  5. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I am no tasting expert but a few sips of each does seems like a sub-optimal way to get an impression of beers that are intended to be drank by the half liter.
     
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  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Go to Europe and drink at/near the source.

    Oh the biggest serving of a Pilsner in Germany thst I've ever had has been 0.5 liters. More often you get 0.3 liters.
     
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  7. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    Nate does this shit correctly....you can see as he takes his time the impressions emerge stronger...I appreciate how he does these and the care he takes in tasting them,,,,he does a great job deciphering them....as someone who has done probably 50+ blind tastings in a similar manner I will say you can't get them picked correctly all the time but he is damn close......
     
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  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    No in-between palate cleansing could have really messed up his taste -- especially in the same or similar style.
     
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  9. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    I think it's pretty amazing that he (Nate Lanier of Tree House) got the first three identified correct. Excellent palate! In my opinion, the Pilsner Urquell has changed radically since I first drank it in the 70s. I'm not a big fan of it today. Obviously, taste comparisons (extrapolations) over 50 years are not "very" reliable. But its my impression that Urquell has lost malt body and depth of character over the years. Listening to the taster, the Urquell seems pretty similar to the German Pilsners. That's not a comparison I would have made when my wife and I were drinking Urquell draft at the Golden Ox in Chicago in about 77.
     
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  10. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I didn't watch the whole thing yet, got about half done, but I enjoy watching these videos. Something I also appreciate is the fact that the ones I've seen both include every day beers that a lot of people may have just blown off as crap and maybe never even heard of, let alone try. Maybe some Treehouse fans may go out and give some of these beers a try now, "I mean heck if the guy behind my favorite brewery in the world enjoys these beers, maybe they're worth while." Yes they are :slight_smile::beers:
     
  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The Urquell didn't stand a chance in this incredibly lopsided context. The character of the beer (especially [but not limited to] the diactetyl) will really stand out and seem strange alongside all those German beers.
     
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  12. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I'm not sure if you watched but there is a short snippet where he mentions this exact thing, something along the lines of "normally these would be drank out of mugs (or something like that), but here's why I'm using these teku glasses and why they make sense in this setting..."
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW, my 'interpretation' for why Nate decided to include Pilsner Urquell as part of the discussion/tasting was since it is the 'originator' of the Pilsner beer style it should be discussed.

    If your larger point is it is 'different' from a German Pilsner, that is indeed the case. Part of the reason I provided a link to an article for further consideration of this topic.

    Cheers!

    P.S. And as Nate pointed out in his discussion this bottle of Pilsner Urquell was not in optimum shape. On a related matter what I discussed in the article:

    "One BIG Caveat: Pilsner is a beer best enjoyed fresh. This can sometimes be a challenge when it comes to imported beers so for this reason tasting US craft brewed versions could be the better option. An old imported beer will be stale and not taste as intended."
     
  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    The color was an immediate giveaway -- even on my phone's small screen.

    I'm not 100%, but I also think the Urquell is the only one that uses Saaz hops.

    And I'm not sure he didn't just assume there was trouble with the Urquell with the diacetyl -- something I've tasted in very fresh PU. But again, he didn't explain just how much he was tasting.
     
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  15. tekstr1der

    tekstr1der Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Nov 27, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Hard to go wrong with that lineup. I love them all.

    I'll raise a (hopefully fresher - June BB) Urquell in a Teku as an homage.

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  16. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I bet most people could pick the Urquell out. The color, texture, and hop character = substantially different from the others. That's the case even if it's same-day fresh. I find the diacetyl to be completely random in that beer, though. I've had heavy doses of it in fresh bottles/cans/taps and I've gotten none at all in old examples. That beer is such a crapshoot to me as a result, because I despise diacetyl. I will admit that it's the beer I am most able to tolerate it in, but I still never like those batches.

    With the others, I think he pointed out something I've noticed with Tannenzäpfle. It has a lot of hop character, but not necessarily bitterness. I did a (non-blind) tasting of a few German pilsners a few years ago and it had hops for days, but it was one of the least bitter examples I tried. Keesmann's Herren was similar, but it was probably 2x as bitter as the Rothaus.

    Paulaner's newer Pils seems to be following that approach. I never liked the older one from 10-15 years ago (it was like a bitter helles), but I like the new canned one.

    I've only had Weihenstephaner's once in Freising, and I definitely liked it at the time. There might have been a little bit of the "Red Stripe effect" considering I was on vacation in the Weihenstephan biergarten, but there definitely wasn't any acetaldehyde going on in that one. I haven't had it since, though. For some weird reason they don't distribute those bottles to CO.
     
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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Which makes his choice of hat - "Drink Fresh" - well, let's just call it inappropriate :grin:, especially given the "Best Before" dates I see on most of the German imports. (MC does OK with Pilsner Urquell, around here at least).

    And, from the "That word does not mean what you think it means" dept:
    ~2:05 - "So, thank you Jan for being very impressionable to me...." :astonished:
     
  18. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    Would have been nice to see where he ranks Pizzeria Pils among those titans.
     
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  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    When revisiting urquell in the last couple years after having experienced a wide array of American and some German examples of the style I was shocked at how unique it was. I'd tried it early in my beer tasting without any context and had absorbed the idea that it was the original and therefor prototypical pilsner. But it's very distinct in the field of pilsner available in the places in the US I've been
     
  20. defunksta

    defunksta Grand Pooh-Bah (4,164) Jan 18, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Enjoyed the video. Urquell didn't stand a fair chance for obvious reasons a different style. Would like to see one with Jever, Veltins, Einbecher, and Ayinger.
     
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