Need some guidance/advice

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Providence, Jan 4, 2013.

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  1. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    FWIW

    I don't think anyone was Pro InBev. I think we were more "It's business as usual" "Who gives a shit" and "How the fuck can you even for a second think we are morally bankrupt if we DO purchase a InBev product?"

    I remember that thread though. That was a good thread.
     
  2. ubenumber2

    ubenumber2 Maven (1,457) Sep 1, 2012 Arkansas

    What I find funny is the same guy who carries on about how he will not support big beer , that anyone who does not support their local craft brewer is a chump , blah blah blah. Then when he need to purchase something he runs to the Big Box store instead of supporting his local businesses. Drink what you like , dont worry about what anyone thinks , Main street America was too damn high anyhow , lol
     
  3. Doppelbockulus

    Doppelbockulus Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 Florida

    The guidelines are worth a read, they're pretty short, and it seems like the big thing to worry about regarding this topic is the risk of people being defamatory, abusive, or hateful; these three are explicitly stated in the guidlelines as being against the rules. Perhaps if you post a thread which initiates a positive outlook on the craft beer departments of large beer conglomerations, you might not have anything to worry about even if someone else makes hateful or judgmental replies. It would make sense to me that you wouldn't get in trouble even if a thread of yours got locked IF you tried to post something good and someone else replied with something bad. These are my best assumptions, so perhaps go the route of something like "appreciation of craft beer departments in large corporations" or "proud to see that macro breweries have craft beer interests" or something like that. If you explicitly start a thread off on a positive note it shouldn't be your fault if it goes downhill. So maybe stick a word that carries a good connotation in the subject line, and then open the body of your post with at least one statement that shows some level of appreciation or fairness among the big guys.

    There are employees at several of the big beer companies who came from the homebrew culture and landed amazing jobs where it is their responsibility to craft new and exciting beers in the craft departments of their company. So if you put the "craft" on the employees, it would make sense that Michelob, Budweiser, Blue Moon and other big guys do actually produce some craft beer. If the employee is trying to create something in the spirit of craft beer, their product shouldn't be boycotted or under-appreciated because of the brand name, because those employees are people and have a legitimate appreciation for craft beer. I wouldn't be surprised if macro companies are screaming "finally" since craft beer is big enough now to allow the macro employees to use their imaginations and not just market trend analysis.

    Hopefully this little thought here has something positive that you can pull from it. Good luck.
     
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  4. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    See this is what I am taking about....this thread, a mere post asking for guidance on how to begin the discussion is already starting to turn into the discussion itself. I am not going to engage in it. Perhaps this is a lost cause.

    However, in response to yamar, I disagree completely. For those with open minds and open ears (or eyes as is the case with the internet), I think there is much to learn in these conversations.
     
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  5. imduffman

    imduffman Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Ohio

    I expect that most quality craft breweries are happy with their success without being millionaires. who cares what the next guy spends his or her money on. as long as they enjoy what they are drinking. too many people sound like upset fathers scalding their children for straying from the path they advocate. businesses all over the world copy trends they see progress for profit. its part of the free market. are you really loosing anything at the end of the day?
     
  6. Schwantz

    Schwantz Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 Florida

    Play nice.
     
  7. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I think trying to have a civil discussion on this topic is like trying to have a civil discussion over politics or religion. Even if it starts out nicely, there is a nearly 100% chance it will devolve into something ugly. Too many diverse opinions and backgrounds on an Internet forum. The AB/craft discussion has been had 1000 times on this site in the past, and it plays out the same way every time. Thus why not just lock it up immediately?

    As an aside, the Bros have always seemed to take a relatively brand agnostic approach to beer, at least publicly. I don't think they would have a lot of tolerance for a thread fostering a boycott of any beer brand, be it AB Inbev, Chimay, Dogfish Head, whoever.
     
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  8. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Pundit (867) Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin

    This is a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum here on BA. The final answer is that some people believe it is ok to give ABI/MC some of their hard earned money, if the beer tastes good, and others do not. Some believe you have to look past the beer and get a better feel for the people that are producing the beer, and others do not.

    The problem with these discussions is that everyone thinks that he or she is "right". Unfortunately, since these beliefs amount to opinions, much like politics and religion, there is no "right" answer. From there, the discussions typically move very quickly to personal attacks, even if they are not directed specifically at one person. Which is why the threads generally get locked down.
     
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  9. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Perhaps frame it in a more positive manner. Rather than "Should you boycott this brewery?" try "Which breweries do you feel best about supporting?"
     
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  10. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I hear ya' and pretty much agree. It's just sad that we can't have the discussion here, because this is such a great place to have the discussion. The diverse backgrounds of folks here are a positive in regards to this discussion. I am of the mind that if the right people were censored (folks who turn it into personal attacks, name calling, etc.) and level headed individuals were allowed to continue the conversation could play out well. That would probably take a whole team of moderators to deal with that though...
     
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