Planning Thread: American Adjunct Lager Tasting (July 4-7)

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  1. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I need some and it's really EZ to find here.
     
  2. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Based on one of the numerous recent AAL threads, and for “science,” I still have on my list to try and review the following (none of which I’ve tasted in decades, if ever):
    • Budweiser
    • Bud Light
    • PBR
    • Corona Extra
    • Miller High Life
    • Coors Banquet
    • Rainier
    • Modelo Especial
    • Hamm’s
    • Stroh’s
    • MGD
    • Schlitz
    • Old Style
    However, I still have not managed to find these available for purchase in single-format bottles/cans, and I don’t often go out to drink (and if I do, it’s not usually to anywhere that serves any of these beers). I’m not investing in multiples of any of these. So unless I crack that code, I don’t know that I’ll be participating. If I do find a place that sells these beers as singles, I might as well get this over with soon.

    But as a long-time member on this site, I find the whole “let’s celebrate AALs” thing pretty fucking ironic. Next up—it’s Yankee cap day at Fenway Park!
     
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  3. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    FWIW I have a total of 6 beers as options, none of them are any of the ones listed above. Four of the six are local to NJ, one with malt from a local Southern New Jersey malthouse. The other one is from a very beloved lager brewery located in NH.

    I would say that is progress in taking back a beer style from the powers that be and not ironic, just a different way of looking at it :beers:
     
  4. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    No, I get it. My list is just a promise I made to myself to try all the main/macro brands at least once, and be as objective as possible about them, as a person who respects beer. Kind of like anyone who likes cheeseburgers should at least try the Big Mac, Whopper, and whatever Wendy’s flagship burger is called at least once.

    I’m all in favor of your final sentence.
     
  5. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    The thread I started "Let's Give Lagers Some Love" has a lot of nice "newer" beers along with the expected macro and imports. It's worth a look.
     
  6. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    so should I pair craft AAL with macro burgers :thinking_face:

    But really it’s been neat seeing these local craft examples. They are very good and quite different from the big AAL as you could imagine.
     
  7. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I don’t really know what local AALs are available—maybe I’ll delve into that after I’ve had my glasses of Bud, PBR etc. I kind of feel like it’s just a style I’m not all that excited about, and it offers only so much range, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.
     
  8. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    it could be completely different where you’re located but i would keep an eye out at gas stations and liquor stores for bigger sized singles. a lot of the beers on your list i would be able to find in 25oz cans (unless that’s just too many ounces of mediocre beer for you.) cheers!
     
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  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    That’s a good suggestion, I always forget about gas stations because I never visit them (I drive a plug-in hybrid and the one or two times a year I fill my tank I do it at Costco). I don’t mind drainpouring excess beer I don’t want to consume from an oversize can/bottle—I just don’t want to buy six cans for the privilege of drinking one.
     
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  10. meanmutt

    meanmutt Grand Pooh-Bah (3,883) Feb 6, 2012 Ohio
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    Are beers listed as American Lager allowed in this tasting event, or is it strictly AAL, Light Lager, and Cream Ale as mentioned in the OP?
     
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  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    One time zone's midday isn't the same as another. Simple is best.
     
  12. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    @jonphisher can't believe there are things like *Cream ales with lactose, coffee, vanilla, nitro, etc. I have never understood that ha.

    Anyway, I'll try to pick up some Back Pew Blue Testament

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/43230/201226/

    Labeled here as just an American Lager, but it is a lager with blue corn, which falls clearly in the Adjunct Lager style for me, and pretty good. I haven't had it in a while, so as good a time as any to track down a six pack.
     
  13. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I'll pick up some Schell's Deer Beer but as of now, here's what's in my fridge being saved for the sacrifice....I mean tasting. :beers:
    Point Amber Lager
    Schell's Northland Gold Session Lager
    Heileman's Special Export
    Shiner Light Blonde Lager
    Shiner Black Lager
    Shiner Orale' Mexican Lager
    Shiner Sea Salt & Lime Lager
    Drekker I Don't Know No Snakes Lagerbier
     
  14. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    that brings up a whole other issue that this thread has me pondering hardcore for the last like 24ish hours… and that is that SO MANY beers on this site are labeled with incorrect styles!

    sometimes i don’t always think it’s our users’ / community’s fault. sometimes i think these breweries (and brewers) don’t always know what the hell they’re talking about. another problem is that american brewers are obsessed with mashing up styles. that doesn’t help.

    this probably isn’t the time or place for this discussion but i doubt i am alone in thinking about certain beers and whether or not they “make the cut” for this tasting. cheers!
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There has been some posts asking whether certain types of beers are acceptable for this tasting so I have one: is it OK to discuss an Adjunct Lager (e.g., brewed with some corn) that are not labeled as being American?

    In another thread I discussed Modelo Especial which is an Adjunct Lager brewed in Mexico (and categorized as American Adjunct Lager on BA). I presume an Adjunct Lager that has a connection to a differing country than Mexico would be acceptable as well?

    Cheers!

    @jonphisher
     
  16. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    I did a couple of blind tastings of AAL American lagers in the 1970s. My fellow beer fans and I of the time were able to discern differences among the beers. We did identify preferences, and, in a limited sense, agreed on those. But the overall conclusion was that there just were no standouts. For me, a better-than-average AAL would taste very good only under rare special circumstances. The differences were so small that individual taste controlled one's favorite. The differences among AAL beers have decreased over the years. Given the trend toward lower hopping rates and possible changes in malts and adjuncts, I'd be surprised if this mass tasting can give a clear indication of "better" AAL beers.
     
  17. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    The incorrect labelling of beers is an issue for any tasting but I think more so for this one because of those three letters…AAL.

    I changed a few that were American lager when both brewers describe them as being brewed with corn.

    I would say that is the goal is to share an American lager brewed with adjunct, if it’s labeled incorrectly in database I’d say it should be updated.

    Jack I would say same as above, these beers are entered as AAL because “Mexican lager” isn’t a category here.

    I think the overall purpose is to highlight American adjunct lagers. I know style lines are blurred here but I think the American labelling separates them, even if it’s mostly in name alone.

    I think this is why I’ve enjoyed so many local/craft AAL. The hop character either in aroma, taste or feel; mostly feel really give these craft examples a nice snappy finish that I find missing in the macros.

    The ones I’ve had recently all have unique character that have separated them from one another.

    Have you come across any local examples? I think industrial arts makes one or two.
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So, just to be clear here: beers like Modelo Especial, Corona, adjunct lagers brewed by craft breweries but labeled as Mexican Lagers (e.g., Tonewood Poolside), etc. are not permitted for this upcoming tasting?

    If this is the case then I think you need to emphasize this in the 'instructions' for the tasting.

    Cheers!
     
  19. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    It says American adjunct lager, I think that is pretty clear. Also…poolside doesn’t contain corn or any other adjunct. It’s all malt.

    Should more people than you start asking about them we will clarify :beers:

    I guess it’s a bit confusing since so many of them are listed as AAL. But I do wonder if Mexican lager were a style would they not be listed there?
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW beers like Modelo Especial, Corona, Pacifico, etc. are genuinely AAL beers. Just like an American craft brewery can produce a Belgian Dubbel, breweries in Mexico can produce an American Adjunct Lager.

    Some Mexican Lager history:

    “So, what is Mexican Lager? It’s often said that it’s a pale lager (but sometimes amber, sometimes darker), made with adjuncts. These days, that primarily means a corn-based product. This definition is true, but also broad and doesn’t distinguish Mexico from a number of other lager producing countries. This includes the United States, which began making adjunct lager shortly before Mexico did.”

    And:

    “Brewers that either worked or trained in the United States brought this type of brewing with them to Mexico in the late 1800s to early 1900s.”

    https://www.casketbeer.com/home/2022/12/1/mexican-lager-history-and-appropriation

    Cheers!
     
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