Does it matter where a beer is brewed geographically to you?

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Does it matter where a beer is brewed geographically to you?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Sometimes

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is an interesting episode from the Craft Beer Channel where Jonny discusses the concept of “World Lager” which are lagers brewed in the UK which ‘represent’ the beers of foreign (to the UK) countries. He spends a fair bit of time discussing a MolsonCoors beer branded as Madri which is marketed as being a Spanish Lager. Madri is brewed at a brewery located in Tadcaster, England.

    Another ‘foreign’ lager that is popular in the UK is Fosters Lager and for that market the beer is brewed in Manchester, England.

    An example of a ‘foreign’ beer brewed in the US is Stella Artois which is brewed in St. Louis (and a few other AB brewery locations).

    So, does it matter to you where exactly a beer is geographically brewed? Does a beer such as Stella Artois need to be produced in Belgium to be a worthwhile purchase for you?

    Cheers!

    P.S. For those interested in what specific type of beer Madri is, my ‘answer’ is that it is an AAL beer.

     
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  2. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    As long as the beer tastes good it doesn’t matter to me where it’s made. Has there ever been a time in beer making history where people swear the beer tastes better at a new location vs the original brewery location? And not talking about freshness, just the actual beer tastes different and for the better.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have not ever read/heard that claim.

    It seems that most of the discussion is along the lines as the beer tastes 'different' (i.e., not for the better) when it is brewed at the differing brewery/location. For example, in the past I have read beer consumers complain that the Beck's brewed at the AB brewery in St. Louis is worse than the German brewed version. I have no memory of the German brewed Beck's beer but I have found the US brewed version to be brewed technically well (e.g., no off-flavors) but more bland than I would prefer. Maybe I would comment the same to the German version? The company line, as I understand it, is that Beck's is brewed in the US just the same as brewed in Germany; I have my doubts here from a malt ingredient selection perspective. And do they exactly build up the brewing water to match the brewing water of the Breman brewery?

    A story from long ago is the 'transition' of Lowenbrau from being German brewed to Miller brewing Lowenbrau for the US market. The Miller brewed beer used a differing recipe. Below is from a @TongRad post in a past thread:

    "Just to clarify something in case you are unaware- the Munich Lowenbrau is an all-malt helles lager, comparable to Hofbrau, Spaten, Paulaner, or any of the other ones from Munich or the surrounding area.

    The Miller-brewed version you remember was made with a certain percentage of corn as an adjunct, so it had a 'lighter' malt flavor and was also hopped to a lower degree."

    Cheers!
     
  4. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    It doesn't matter to me in the least where they brew Stella Artois. I'm not buying it, ever. As for non-AB-InBev beers, I really don't pay that much attention unless I'm trying to get a country tick.

    I see that I'm firmly in the majority on this, at least until somebody else weighs in. :laughing:
    Edit: Oops!
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I cast a no vote as well, but I guess there are some rather glaring exceptions. Lowenbrau being the most obvious example. I'm not sure that's exactly what Jack had in mind in his OP, but the version made under contract by Miller years ago was vastly different from the version brewed in Germany.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I asked the question: "So, does it matter to you where exactly a beer is geographically brewed?" and I was curious to hear BA's thoughts here.
    Yup with details provided in post #3.

    Cheers!
     
  7. Brook82

    Brook82 Pundit (889) Oct 21, 2018 Ohio

    No, if I like the beer, I'll buy it.
     
  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    One way of looking at this is to consider how macro brewers move some production from a beer's original brewing location to a country where it was being imported.
    (Note that it's not just the big guys - brands like Mahrs also contract brew in the US.)

    Another way of looking at this is how US craft brewers brew a ton of beers marketed as Mexican-style, Czech-style, German-style, etc. Does it matter to people here if US craft brewers release a beer and call it a Saison... or a Kolsch, or Polotmavý? Do you care where your Polotmavý comes from? Is that US-origin Polotmavý more "authentic" than the US-origin Stella? Do you care if a US "Mexican-style" beer is nothing like a typical Mexican beer?

    It seems like people mainly get offended by the first situation, and only get offended by the second if they feel very misled. Some people might view the first situation as consumer deception and the second as artistic freedom. What role does brewer size play in this? What would the reaction be if AB-InBev released a Belgian beer marketed as Stella Artois Saison? Would people here automatically view it as less authentic than a nectarine "saison" released by a small brewery in Florida?

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  9. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Travel to Germany and see just how many Löwenbräu breweries there are beside Munich! :wink:
     
  10. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Gary Gillman (BeerEtSeq) described the introduction of Molson's Canadian-brewed Madri in Ontario. He generally approves of the product, which he found to be more assertive than most macro-brewed lagers. Whether the beer is "the same" as the Spanish original or the British product, I have no idea. My general observation about foreign brands brewed domestically is that the breweries could very likely produce almost identical products if there was a strong motivation to do so. Market research, taste panels, and test markets apparently tend to argue for watering down the taste.
     
  11. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Quality trumps location as long as it reaches me when it's fresh. Last I checked Kirin was contract brewed by AB in LA and it does not match up in terms of taste with the Kirin you can pick up at any convenience store in Japan. The Kirin I am referring to is Kirin Ichiban Shibori which is all malt.
     
  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    [QUOTE="moodenba, post: 8038964, Market research, taste panels, and test markets apparently tend to argue for watering down the taste.[/QUOTE]

    I think that's understandable. When you think about the number of American consumers who swear by various light beer products, it's pretty clear that this is the approach to take when introducing a new international beer to the US consuming public.
     
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  13. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Yes because the closer it is brewed the fresher it is (in general)
     
  14. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    I don’t care if the style suggests a geographic location but is actually brewed elsewhere, as long as it is good. Example: a “German” pilsner brewed in CA is ok with me. However, I won’t knowingly drink beer from mainland China or other communist countries…regardless of quality.F’ em.
     
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  15. turfy

    turfy Pooh-Bah (1,872) Mar 17, 2010 Texas
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    If it is related to beer, I could care less where it is brewed. If it tastes good and is suitably priced, I'm drinking up. One caveat is like from BillAfromSoCal above.. if its from some shit country, forget it.
     
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  16. DDiFran

    DDiFran Pundit (962) Jan 20, 2015 Ohio
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    It’s probably a sign of my age but I tend to favor local beers because they should be fresher. Right? That and I like supporting local breweries. I’m also old enough to remember when there really weren’t local breweries
     
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  17. MeanDean515

    MeanDean515 Initiate (62) Jun 4, 2024 Iowa
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    Belgian beers should be brewed in Belgium. A Spanish lager should be brewed in Spain. However Belgian "style" beers should and can be brewed anywhere and be as good or even better than a "Belgian" beer brewed in Belgium. Same with Spanish lagers or any other style we can name. I had a festbier and a marzen tonight at a local brewery in Iowa. Both were good beers and neither made any claims to being brewed anywhere but in Iowa. In the world of beer I believe most consumers want transparency. Tell us what it is and where it's brewed and we'll appreciate it on its own merits. When you try and portray a beer as something it's not it cheapens the experience.
     
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  18. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Inspired by several of the fine posts above I hereby swear off Canadian beer. Canada has a single payer national health care system which is the first step towards communist hell. That's good enough reason for me!
     
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  19. nomisugitai

    nomisugitai Zealot (730) Mar 11, 2006 New Jersey

    I recently had Sapporo from the Virginia Stone Brewery. It tasted so good that I checked the can and saw that it was no longer from Vietnam. It seemed like a big difference to me. I'm interested to taste some in Japan when I go back at the end of the year. I agree with you about the Ichiban Shibori.
     
  20. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I think the good part about the US breweries specializing in German and Czech style lagers is that they are much fresher than the imports, in styles that freshness matters. So no issue with the American breweries doing European styles.

    I mainly don't care about most of the "macro" import brands because of the taste.
     
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