Opinions on Coors Batch #19

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Spikester, Dec 7, 2012.

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  1. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,611) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The parent organization, the B.A., is more opposed than the AHA. The AHA even has mead and cider under its umbrella, which are verboten as far as the B.A. is concerned.

    There are many things done by craft brewers that do not conform to the Reinheitsgebot.
     
  2. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
    In Memoriam

     
  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Was just thinking about that the other day when I came upon a reference to BBC's 2005 "Samuel Adam's Beer Drinker's Bill of Rights" --- in particular:


    And thought about how many Samuel Adams beers violate that "right" of beer drinkers.

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  4. jcb7472

    jcb7472 Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Florida

    I saw it on tap at a bar the other night and asked the bartender about it. He told me the story about the 2 guys from Chicago that found an old prohibition era recipe and brewed it. I said "well, I guess it's brewed by AB or Miller or somebody like that, right? (I had not heard of it). He actually told me no, and that it's a small brewery out of Chicago and one of the craft distributors in South Florida is currently selling it. Then I looked it up and saw it was a Coors product. I tried one and didn't really like it. I guess it's better than most BMC lager beers, but that's not saying much.
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Here's some OK stats for you. :wink: Coors went from 26.5% of the market in 1964 (with Carling and Falstaff #2 and #3 respectively- I'd never have guessed that) to 59.6% in 1977. That's an even bigger share than they had it Colorado at the time (44.5%).

    Gee, Lone Star barely registers - 5.5% in 1966 was as high as they got. Didn't they run a brewery (ex-Progress, maybe) in Oklahoma City in that period?
     
  6. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    Lone Star had a brewery in OKC, closed I don't know when. I think Huebert's might be brewing there now, don't know for sure, There's still an old faded Progress mural on a building downtown.
     
  7. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    When you said Carling, I was kinda taken aback. but then IIRC, Stag was brewed by Carling, and Stag was a huge beer here, even tho' Coors was so big. My beloved Falstaff too. Black Label was in with the in crowd, but yeah, Stag was much beloved, too.
     
  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Ah, yeah, good point - Didn't think of that brand myself- yeah, the market share percentages quoted (from a 1978 FTC publication) are for breweries not for brands.

    I guess I always think of Stag as "one more mid-West beer under the Heileman umbrella" - which of course it eventually became after Heileman bought Carling-National and their brands.
     
  9. fx20736

    fx20736 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2009 New York

    I buy 90% of my beers from Beers of the World, the local bottle shop. This week due to budgetary constraints I decided to just grab a couple of 6 packs from the grocery store to last me until payday

    So, in that frame of mind I spotted a display of Batch 19, a "Pre Prohibition Lager", noticed the price (under 8 bucks), said what the hell and threw it in the cart.

    it was only when I got home and opened a bottle that I noticed that this is a Coors product. Now, believe it or not I have never bought myself anything from Coors so I winced a little as the whole marketing campaign for Coors Light is the stupidest, most idiotic thing imaginable.

    That being said, the beer isn't bad. It tastes like a real Pilsener, with a little Spicy Hops. It is refreshing and decent tasting.

    anyone else had this yet?
     
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  10. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,772) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Yes and I liked it more than most. The spicy hops you and I noted seemed to get lost in most of the reviews I read.
     
  11. Todd

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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,274) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Is it an ac golden project though? That dark little corner of coors is putting out some pretty bang up brews.
     
  13. okcommuter

    okcommuter Crusader (447) Dec 25, 2012 Michigan

    I hastily put one in a mixed 4 pack the other day and, like you, was disheartened to find out what it really was. I have not cracked it open yet, as I put the 4 pack together to get the only bottle of hopslam I saw. I should probably get around to drinking it soon. I'll have to update after.
     
  14. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    The website for the beer (http://www.batch19.com/) lists the brewer as:

    © 2012 COORS ARCHIVE BREWING, GOLDEN, CO
     
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  15. StoutLover4life

    StoutLover4life Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2012

    More flavor but still to afraid to make a big beer...
     
  16. mintjellie

    mintjellie Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2005 Canada (ON)

    I've heard of Carling-O'Keefe, but what is Carling-National? Carling-O'Keefe, the old Canadian Breweries Ltd. created by the consolidation of various Canadian regionals by E.P. Taylor, eventually merged with Molson Breweries. Isn't Carling a MolsonCoors brand? Is there any relationship between Carling-National and Carling-O'Keefe?
     
  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    In the US, the Canadian Carling company starting brewing after the Repeal of Prohibition by investing in a company originally called the Brewing Corporation of America in Cleveland. Eventually they changed the name here to Carling Brewing Co. and took full ownership. Their main US brands were Black Label and Red Cap Ale. They slowly expanded by buying other regional breweries, acquiring some other labels (mid-West's Stag and PNW's Heidelberg) along the way. They slowly rose to the Top Ten in the US, peaking at #4 by the late '50's, early 60's. But by the time the "Beer Wars" started really heating up in the '70's, they couldn't keep up with AB and Miller.

    Most industry analysts blamed it on not having a "premium priced" beer - Black Label was "popular-priced" - and they attempted to correct that with their brewed-under-license "Tuborg" (aka "Tuborg Gold") - but they eventually merged with their local Baltimore (by then their US headquarters) neighbor, National in 1975. National (National Bohemian, National Premium, A-1 and Colt 45 brands) also had several breweries around the US, but that only lasted for a couple of years when the combined Carling-National was gobbled up (after a rumored Pabst merger collapsed) by Heileman in '79 - The latter company was on their rapid climb to the Top Six in the US and eventual crash by the mid-1990's.

    At some point in there (I guess during Heileman's ownership) Carling Red Cap was dropped as a US product, and they started importing Canadian-brewed Red Cap. For a time, Red Cap had been the #2 US ale, far behind #1 Ballantine XXX Ale, probably only because it was the only other nationally-distributed ale by then. (Pabst had an on-again-off-again-sometimes regional Old Tankard Ale). Red Cap, by the 1970's was maybe the least hoppy US ale of those not labeled "cream ale" - less hoppy than even the popular imported Canadian ales. Heileman even relabeled it "Cream Ale" before they stopped brewing it, during the brief "cream ale scare" of the late '70's-early '80's.

    Pabst still owns and markets a few of the original US Carling labels - Black Label, Stag - as part of their purchase of the Heileman-Stroh brands. Black Label was, for a time, an "international" label and was brewed all over the world through Carling subsidiaries or licensed deals. As the international closures/mergers occurred over the years in the late 20th century in the brewing industry, that left Black Label being brewed by competed companies - Bass and then Coors in the UK (where it's among the top brands), Molson in Canada and Heileman>Stroh>Pabst in the US, as noted, SABMiller in South Africa.

    (I think that's mostly right :wink:)
     
  18. PABeerGeek74

    PABeerGeek74 Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I picked one up in a craft pack at Wegman's the other day (I'm a sucker for marketing at times) and jokingly told my wife it was Coors when she asked what it was... the joke was on my once I actually read the label closely. Overall it was not bad, but probably would have tasted better if I didn't read the label first. :astonished:
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Pretty clearly noted on the label as well (a "Blue Moon Brewing Co. Denver, CO" type of "aka" brewery name labeling it is not):

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    The TTB label approval for the beer lists every Miller-Coors facility, and in every bottle/can format imaginable (12, 16, 22's and even 40's) - not to say that it will be so packaged or brewed everywhere, but they could do it.
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,274) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I really assumed this was another colorado native type project. Learn something new every day.
     
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