Opinions on Coors Batch #19

So was the Carling-National merger a sale of the Carling-O'Keefe American subsidiary to National? At what point did the Canadian parent spin-off their American subsidiary?

This story sounds very similar in some ways to that of the Black Horse brand, except Black Horse as brewed in the US became a very different beer than the one peculiar to Newfoundland today. How similar or different were the versions of Black Label and Red Cap sold in the US to their Canadian counterparts?

At some point, probably after the merger with Molson, Red Cap was discontinued in Canada. In the late-90's the trademark was bought by Ontario regional Brick Brewing - actually one of the first microbreweries in Canada, just not a very good one. I have no idea how similar Brick's incarnation of Red Cap is to the Carling-O'Keefe original. I might pick a few bottles up just to see how it compares to other modern day macro blonde ales like Molson Export, Labatt 50, or Alexander Keiths. That would make for a pretty brutal tasting lol.

 

A less-than-stellar BMC product that craft drinkers should skip as there are plenty of micro lagers out there.

 

Heileman bought Carling National from "C&N Holding Co." part of the UK's Rothman group (which was also Carling-O'Keefe's parent company) in 1979.

Not quite. Black Horse Ale became an American beer brand when Dawes, the Canadian brewer, forgot to renew the US trademark, and Cold Spring Brewing Co. just renewed it instead. They later contracted with Fred Koch and Metropolis (Champale) to also brew the brand. Still later it was brewed by Genesee, as well, after they bought the Koch brands in the early '80's. At least that's the story told by the owner of Cold Spring. (I had a long forum discussion about Black Horse Ale before, and I think you were part of that, so I won't further repeat myself).

No idea on that one, never had a Canadian Black Label and if I did have the Red Cap that Heileman imported after the purchase, I don't recall it being anything other than "typical Canadian ale". But, certainly in that era (as well as today) beers were "labels" and recipes/abv would vary from country to country and even some exported brands would differ from the beer a brewer marketed domestically. (Smithwick's being a classic example today). I'd imagine that the 3 Carling/Black Labels sold today in Canada, the UK and the US all differ in ABV.

 

Not impressed.

 

You're a wealth of information and I thank you for being so willing to take the time to share it with pretty much any BA who asks a question like this.

There should be an "Ask Jesskidden" thread pinned at the top of page 1 in Beer Talk, lmao.

 

I definitely enjoy this beer.

 

I had it on tap about a year ago. I thought it was one of the better Coors brews I have had but I wouldn't call it spectacular.

 

I thought it was interesting and had a unique hop profile. I couldn't really identify what BJCP style it would fall into either, which is also unique for a big brewery. Seems like it could be a nice bridge for those used to the flavorless mass market beers, maybe opening some doors to some real beers out there. Looks like Black Crown from InBev is trying the same thing.

 

I adore it ... for its price point. It's not the best beer ever, but for the style? Holy hell. I got a 20oz for $2 at a local place. Would have again.

 

You guys are taking the fun outta beer drinking with all this pissin' in the wind.

 

There's a Classic American Pilsner category, so Batch 19 would fit in there.

 

Oly had a sample of it (It was part of a craft flight...lol) I actually enjoyed it to be honest. Hell i might even buy a sixer of it

 

The style I would use to describe Batch 19 is American Amber Adjunct Lager. The BJCP name for this beer is American Dark Lager.

The marketing folks at Coors would like you to believe that Batch 19 is a Classic American Pilsner but it tastes nothing like a CAP to me.

You might find the discussion on Batch 19 here of interest:http://beeradvocate.com/community/t...owl-xlvii-commercial.60251/page-3#post-845082

Cheers!

 

roughly 75 posts & 2 pages deep??? i thought threads that were explicitly void of beer content were not permitted & removed promptly?

 

I just don't really see the point in trying a "craft" beer made by BMC when there's a million other beers that I haven't had when I walk into the beer store, and beer that's actually made by companies I respect. The fact that BMC is trying to worm their way into the craft market is almost kind of offensive. Maybe that's beer-snobbish of me, but I'd rather put money towards breweries who actually care and put effort into their product, and aren't just trying to capitalize on what BMC sees as a "marketing opportunity".

 

Got a sixpack awhile ago. It underwhelmed me to say the least.

Tasted like chewing on a straw hat that was soaked in urine

 

“Tasted like chewing on a straw hat that was soaked in urine.”

I have read many descriptions of beer and that line right there is ‘poetic’.

Cheers!

P.S. I suppose it is incumbent upon me to state that I personally do not agree with that description. I thought that Batch 19 is an OK beer within the context of an American Amber Adjunct Lager.

 

Wish it was priced lower.(For that price I could pick up some many other better pale-colored lagers). Regardless though, If I'm in the mood for an AAL, I'll pick up some Schlitz.

 

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Where's the invite?

 

I'll let you know dude. Sunday Chili if you are down.

Speaking of Batch 19, had it last week at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Natomas, it was okay.