El Cajon Brewing Company, Chapter 11

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  1. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    They have about 8 of their own and maybe a dozen or so others. My wife really likes the Quatro Cajones Quad IPA.
     
  2. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    Ick...things aren't looking good right now. Court documents indicate that ECBC is 28 months behind just on the alone. In addition to rent, there is common area maintenance fees, property taxes and insurance.

    I feel badly for the employees there, but the bankruptcy court lifted the automatic stay so the landlord could continue the eviction lawsuit. I'm guessing they will be out of business by the summer.
     
  3. Xul

    Xul Pooh-Bah (2,139) May 18, 2008 California
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    28 months? They opened in October 2011...I don't know when they moved into the space, but did they ever even pay rent?
     
  4. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    The court documents say that the lease was signed in October of 2009, so it would seem they have paid maybe 6 months of the rent during that time. It seemed like construction took forever too.
     
  5. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Shit, I better get down there and tick before they go under. :rolling_eyes:
     
  6. Sebowski

    Sebowski Zealot (613) Jan 11, 2010 California

    I'm enjoying both. Thanks for the updates, Carl.
     
  7. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    The entire existence of this place been a clusterfuck. 2 year delays in opening, the works.
     
  8. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    Stay out of Malibu El Cajon Lebowski. Stay out you deadbeat goldbricker!

    28 MONTHS behind on rent! Fuck that!
     
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  9. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    How exactly does a business recover and make good on 28 months back rent? 2 customers per hour doesn't seem like it will cut it.
     
  10. DoughIn

    DoughIn Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2009 California

    Douche bag had it coming. What a sorry despicable
    Man. I could have made that place work
    By brewing beer and being part of the brewing
    Community. Collaborations, beer dinners, events
    Tap take overs etc etc...
    But liars and cheaters who rip others off (especially
    Relatives)
    Always get what's coming to them.

    I would keep my eye on that DB cause he will
    Try to take the equipment out of there for sure.
    Probably stash it in a Kingdom Hall
    The system is NOT attached to the floor.
     
  11. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    He is free to do whatever he wants with the equipment.

    I don't understand how anyone can think that the equipment belongs to the landlord.

    Take another brewer, Ballast Point for example. They don't own the building that they occupy in Scripps Ranch. Does anyone really believe that their landlord somehow owns all of the brewing and bottling equipment because it is bolted to the floor?
     
  12. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California


    I agree in thinking the landlord doesn't own the equipment, but neither does this owner of ECBC. He has sooo much outstanding debt that I am sure there is a loan on the equipment, or at least he would have t sell the equipment to pay off other debts (such as rent or the massive generous loan he got from the city).
     
  13. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    You and your brother should hold an exhibition boxing match in El Cajon. I'd buy tickets!~
     
  14. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    It might end up wherever Alpine's 30bbl brite tank went too...

    Keep the updates coming! This War of the Roses is entertaining!
     
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  15. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    I disagree. I think this place was doomed from the beginning. The location, the layout, the lack of a full liquor license, it just wasn't going to work.
     
  16. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    How many beer focused brewpubs have full liquor licenses?
     
  17. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    Take a look earlier in this this thread for my discussion about fixtures. I realize that real estate law isn't exactly the most exciting thing to talk about in a form dedicated to beer. That that become attached to real estate like water heaters, furnaces and other items that tend to be bolted down or "permanently" attached are usually fixtures. A fixture becomes party of the property and legally belong to the landlord.

    As a practical matter, however, most landlords won't press the issue because the next tenant might not necessarily be a brew pub and the landlord might want the stuff out of there.
     
  18. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    I disagree. If you make good beer, people will come. Look at Alpine. A family friendly brewpub will bring in families, look at Pizza Port. I'm sure with new ownership the place could thrive, the beery world is slowly expanding east.
     
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  19. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    Ones that aren't in the best locations for a brewpub. ECBC said in court documents they were trying to get a full liquor license.
     
  20. CarlStarrett

    CarlStarrett Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2012 California

    Legally, the landlord does own the equipment if it is permanent attached to the building. Would the landlord want it? Unlikely.
     
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