There is no "freshness incentive" for buying local

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by yemenmocha, Aug 28, 2014.

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Are regional or national craft beers on the shelf about as fresh or fresher than local?

  1. Yes, I find regional and national options can be found as fresh as local bottles on the shelves

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  2. No, there are not regional and national options about as fresh as local bottles on the shelves

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  1. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    There seems to be an often stated yet unquestioned viewpoint that somehow buying local equals buying fresher. Often there are implications that if one cares about freshness then there is this sort of default benefit for buying local. Perhaps we can call it the “freshness incentive” for buying local.

    In the context of buying bottles, this seems to be false. Now perhaps some markets are different than mine and major metros that I visit regularly, but the norm that I see is that in fact many of the better brewers are able to supply their markets with very fresh beer that is as fresh as or perhaps fresher than examples from local brewers that are sitting on the shelves. If that’s so, then there’s no broad “freshness incentive” for buying local bottles.

    To help clarify, here’s my own example or two. Here in AZ I can often find myself buying cans or bottles of Bell’s Two-Hearted that are less than two weeks from bottling date. A few shelves over are a couple local options that are the most popular, most often stocked, etc. and they are always older than that. Now my point is established if they were about the same. That’s all I need. But it isn’t just Bell’s. I can get fresh Founder’s. Southern Tier. Stone. Firestone Walker. Deschutes. On and on. If these guys can (and do) have their act together and have very fresh beer on the shelves in a lagging beer state like AZ, then I’d wager they have their act together in states that are far more mature markets for craft beer consumption.

    So, is my market somehow atypical for bottle purchases? Or is it true that regional and national craft can be readily found on shelves just as fresh as the local options?

    To end on a positive note, you have to admit it's a wonderful thing that you can live halfway across the country and drink a top rated IPA bottled within a week or so.
     
  2. jkinzey

    jkinzey Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2014 Florida

    I think a lot of this comes down to how your store does their orders. I'm in Florida and Total Wine has like 10+ cases of all the core Cigar City beers that have been there for months. The dates range from May to early July. But a smaller liquor store near me only keeps around a case or two in stock and it is always fresh. Catch a delivery right and you can get Jai Ali that is only a day or two old. Out of state beers like Ballast Point or Bell's I've never seen younger than 3 weeks.
     
  3. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Not much to say except that I can vouch for the fact that the national/regional beers are often fresher than local beers here.

    Source: working here http://beercornerusa.com/
     
  4. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    It's always a treat scoring those weeks old IPA's, isn't it? Those two are among my favorites as well.
     
  5. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I just picked up a 4-pack of Two Hearted cans packaged a little over 3 weeks ago. In contrast, there are a number of local options on the same shelves collecting dust (...at a higher price per oz., too).

    EDIT: that said, I do have a local option in Olde Mecklenburg that insists on freshness, and does everything it can to ensure as much (transports cold, keeps close tabs on aging stock, limited distribution to markets where it can monitor such things regularly).
     
  6. SoxFan

    SoxFan Zealot (720) Jun 16, 2014 Indiana
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    I would say that it may speak more to the quality of your local/regionals vs. nationals. Your area is selling more nationals so your stock is staying fresh. It's the opposite here. FFF, Bells, Founders, Revolution, Pipeworks, Half Acre, etc. can find within 2 weeks of bottling. Nationals are 1-2 months on shelf. I can't justify spending $15 on a 6er of 2 month old Sculpin when a day old ZD is $10.
     
  7. brywhite

    brywhite Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2009 California

    While I cannot confirm, I've been told that Budweiser tastes delicious in St. Louis.

    if (demand > supply) {
    beer = "fresh";
    }
     
  8. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Excellent point, and certainly on the mark with AZ locals.

    But I found similar issues when traveling, and as recent as this summer in parts of Oregon. It was really frustrating to try and find some of the local beers I was seeking yet often months old, and there next to it were the same California beers I drink at home but fresh. This happened all too often.
     
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  9. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Agreed. I was trying to think of how to say this without speaking ill of NE breweries and gave up :grinning:

    Mostly uninspiring offerings...nuff said.
     
  10. GameOfBeers

    GameOfBeers Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Pennsylvania

    It is a real double edged sword. I can find both very fresh, but it all depends on the location you buy from. If the place you are buying from is a grocery store/chain, then yes you may find fresher local beers. That isn't to say you wont find other national/regional selections to be very fresh. On the other side, if you frequent a craft beer shop, the people that go there are not as likely to pick up a local brew when they have so many other national/regional brews to choose from that they may have not had before/like better. The plus side for local, and I actually did this on Monday, is that if you find a beer that isn't fresh or about to go out of code, they have an easier time getting that pulled and replaced by fresh stock because they are local. If you were to say do that with a national brand that isn't remotely close, it may take longer for the same to happen.
     
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  11. FinchSCF

    FinchSCF Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Michigan

    It's a mixed bag with MI breweries but I can say the one I've seen 1.5w bottles out of more consistently is Bells. Shorts and Founders are sometimes that fresh but it's the exception rather than the rule. Founders is the frustrating one: I live 15mins from them but it's pulling teeth to get fresh product sometimes.
     
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  12. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    My favorite local guy only carries an amount that moves well of stuff where the freshness counts. He will load up on Expedition stout because he knows his customers will want his one all year long and it is only getting better.

    He routinely gets Sculpin with two weeks on it--he says he would much rather run out than carry any old stock. It runs out fairly quickly but you can trust it is right on. Walk in a Total Wine and you fill find a wall of stuff some of it has been there a while no matter where it came from. Sure they move a lot but some of the IPAs get dusty.

    Now with Hop-Drop local, we have one that is insanely fresh local however because BAs are getting it shipped, it usually is less than a week everywhere. In Charlotte, other locals move pretty well but not tons of stuff bottled/canned.

    If Wicked Weed would bottle/can Freak.........
     
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  13. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Feeling really sad for that rough 30% that can't find regional bottles that are as fresh as local. They don't know what they're missing! :wink:
     
  14. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    That would annoy me to no end. I love their beers and we now have them in Arizona. In fact, a local bar just tapped some KBS this week.
     
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  15. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I am in an interesting position, I cannot provide an appropriate answer to the question but I can provide an alternative viewpoint. My favorite beer is Two Hearted, probably goes without saying, I would buy older Two Hearted over other IPAs that may be fresher, this is simply a matter of freshness. I can purchase Two Hearted at probably close to 100 locations in my general area, freshness will vary but I am generally aiming for convenience. Freshness will definitely vary, even being in the breweries hometown, though I am willing to wager the difference is often negligible.

    If I were to pay closer attention to these things, I would not be surprised if the "freshness incentive" for local products is exaggerated a bit. Knowing distribution restraints, habits and need to cover other markets can certainly impact local shelves at times, I have certainly experienced that. The one definitive statement I can make is that freshness is not always guaranteed regardless of the products originating location.

    As stated before, i drink for preference and not freshness. If given reasonable fresh options, I am infinitely more content with my habits as opposed to constantly scouring and (over)analyzing freshness dates. I am also very lucky to live where I do, where local means very high quality, I rarely struggle to find outstanding beer. I am fortunate enough to not have to consider this problem.
     
  16. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I think that there's one very important point that's missing here, and that is the way the brewery packages their beer and the equipment they use makes a huge difference in how it's perceived even a few days after it's packaged.

    There are breweries that have great equipment and make great beers with very little oxygen pick up, and there are breweries with great equipment that don't really know how to use it to it's full potential, and there are breweries with crappy equipment that somehow pull off the miracle of putting great beer in a package without harming it along the way.
     
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  17. Wobbly

    Wobbly Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2013 Missouri

    I agree for the most part. Also, when it comes to the importance of freshness in the first place, a lot depends on style. Certain styles have longer shelf life, clearly, and some even get better with age. That is why I do not understand why more folks do not try European beers, especially those from Belgium and Germany that age very well. At least where I live, they can be pretty affordable. Given the national obsession with IPA's, I can understand why freshness is important to some folks.
     
  18. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    The more I think about this, I am truly amazed how many fresh craft beers from the west coast and midwest we get in NC often rivaling those from 200 miles away.
     
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  19. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I don't know that I could make a generalization about all the markets in my area, it seems that higher volume stores have fresh local and regional/national brands, while at slower moving stores, the risk of old product is equal regardless of locality. In general, though, product is generally fresh for both without a clear trend favoring local or bigger brands.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My best guess is that it depends where you live.

    In SEPA (Southeast PA) there are plenty of high quality local breweries (Victory, Sly Fox, Troegs, Stoudts, Yards, Weyerbacher, Neshaminy Creek, and on and on...) and those beers sell briskly. There is no dust on those beers (6-packs) and when I want to pick up a 6-pack of local brew they are always fresh (typically less than a month from bottling).

    I suppose that things could be different in other locations?

    Cheers!
     
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