The one true constant: our fickle taste

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  1. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    If there is one constant throughout the beer industry, it can be the principle that our taste is constantly and incrementally evolving each and every day. This change can accelerate in either direction, but it never remains stagnant. Those who have been around long enough to have perspective (@jesskidden @JackHorzempa @cavedave ) know exactly what I'm talking about.

    Around 5 years ago, "Black IPA" started to take off, and before you know it, dozens of breweries were piling in to make an iteration of this style. It even sparked a debate as to the origin of the beer, and deriving the name "Cascadian Dark Ale" to properly taxonomize its heritage. In retrospect, the trajectory and popularity of this style of beer was like a bottle rocket. Nowadays? Breweries are discontinuing this beer, due to waning consumer interest.

    For those of you who were around in the 1990s, you might remember the "West Coast Amber." If you were a brewery, wholesaler, or craft beer bar and did not have one in your lineup, you were at a disadvantage. And of course, you needed a nutbrown (variation of an English brown) ale too. And you probably should have had a Hefeweizen as well. Nowadays? You can't give these beers away, and many wholesalers don't want anything to do with them.

    In the 1980s, outside of the craft beer realm, "Light Beer" was all of the rage. Major breweries who swore they would never make one all started to make them and promote the hell out of them, simply responding to the customers' demands to have a beer that was "less filling and tasted great." Nowadays? Almost all light beers are decline.

    There is a certain amount of "churn" in regards to what flavors and formulas are popular or fashionable at the time. What's amazing is that while you're in the thick of it, many can't see more than a few years into the future. Humanity goes "all in" on a certain trend, and just when they think it could not be more cool or fashionable to do something, it reaches a fever pitch and height of ridiculousness, and then it all comes crashing down. There's a reason why we are all not wearing bell-bottom pants and rocking mullet haircuts :-)

    Fellow BA @bigotecircus started the conversation on what he thought the "Next Big Thing" was going to be. No one knows, but there are a lot of people guessing. Conversely, a reflective question would be what is the next big thing to come crashing down? After all, for every new trend that starts, another existing trend has to die (otherwise we would have an infinite number of trends accumulating). This is the natural cycle of life.

    Just my opinion here: but I actually think Pumpkin Beers are one day going to be the bell-bottom pants of beer. Yes, we all drank them at one point in time (even those of us who don't like to admit it), but one day we will look back in complete shock and humor and say, "My God. What was I smoking when I stood in line for a beer made with those pumpkin pie spices?"

    Some will probably say that's absolutely crazy...pumpkin beers are here to stay and will only become more popular over time. But a brief look at the history of beer drinkers and our taste shows that is highly unlikely!

    What do you think is the next trend to die? Perhaps the handlebar mustache - seems appropriate if the Pumpkin Peach ale dies out. :-)

    cheers
     
  2. wonothesane42

    wonothesane42 Savant (1,059) Jan 22, 2013 New Jersey

    I think that is one of the great parts about being a craft beer lover, on one hand you have very classic styles made by some breweries, especially in Europe. On the other hand it is fun to see what is the next wave of innovation, whether it is in my taste or not. I'm always curious to see a brewer's take on a particular beer, beer style, or an additional ingredient, not traditionally used in beer. It is a fun and tasty road to go down.
     
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  3. josmickam

    josmickam Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 Georgia

    I pray to the beer gods every day that it is a pumpkin/spice beer trend that dies.
     
  4. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    And then there are the brewers who purposely take "classical" styles and turn them on their heads, in almost an irreverent way. Why brew to a classically defined style guideline, when you can take things in a new and exciting direction?

    Like when people say "I like Beast Mode, but its too light in color and a bit hoppy for a porter." Says who? What about the people who brewed the very first porter(s)? Think about it...go back hundreds of years...at one point in time, porter didn't even exist as a style. No one had thought of it, or had done it. Then, a brewer or group of brewers took a risk and did things different - and a style was born. The same can be said for all beer styles - before they existed, they did not exist. Its obvious, but often forgotten.

    I leave you with the venerable words of Frank Zappa, "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible."
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Shane (@Sixpoint) IMO you and other craft breweries are addressing the fickle nature of craft beer drinkers in a se,nsible business way: produce a set of core beers that will sell well for the longer term (3-5 years) and then concurrently produce one-off and seasonal products to keep the ‘tickers’ happy.

    Permit me to use Sierra Nevada Brewing for discussion purposes. Sierra Nevada has a flagship/core beer of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale that currently sells very well and I think will sell well in the near future (the next 3-5 years). I suspect it will sell well > 5 years as well. Sierra Nevada also is doing yeoman’s work in creating new seasonal beers and one-off specials. Last year they had the collaborative Beer Camp beers, some new beers in a Fall seasonal 4-beer pack, a series of one variety hopped IPAs using new/special hops (Equinox, Neo-Mexicanus), etc. In other words keeping things constant (SNPA) and fresh at the same time.

    To your credit you have done the same. A very good stable of core beers (Crisp, Sweet Action, Bengali,…) plus some excellent new beers like Sensi Harvest, Beast Mode, Global Warmer (it was new for me), ….

    There is no doubt that today’s craft breweries need to be ‘nimble’ to satisfy today’s ‘fickle’ craft beer drinkers and my Kudo’s to you and others for doing an excellent job in this regards.

    Cheers to Sixpoint, Sierra Nevada, and others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. wonothesane42

    wonothesane42 Savant (1,059) Jan 22, 2013 New Jersey

    And I think that's the fun part of craft beer, brewers can put their own spin on beer, and we as consumers benefit from that. At the same time I hope brewers don't go away from brewing classic and simpler styles of beer, I think these are what initially attract new consumers of craft beer.
     
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  7. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    Jack -

    Here is one risk for some breweries....sometimes, a beer falls out of favor, but its only temporary. For instance, let's look at Ballantine IPA. Back in the day, it was a top beer for them, and a major part of their brand. Then, they discontinued that beer, and attempted to brew beer styles that were becoming more popular, as IPAs started to wane.

    If only they could have held on for a few decades...obviously now IPAs are huge, and they are the #1 SKU in all of craft beer! Interesting now that Pabst (the owner of the "Ballantine" label) has now resurrected this beer, but only after IPA's popularity has reached a fever pitch.

    So a lesson here could be that on a long enough timeline, if you can survive the undulations and cyclical nature of human taste, you can always brew a solid core beer if you stick to your guns and keep quality as the number one priority - without having to constantly chase trends.

    That's why I love crushing a few Saison Duponts on Sundays...probably tastes very similar to how it tasted 50 years ago...and still a cool beer in my opinion! :-)
     
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  8. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I think today's craft brewers should keep the words of R. Buckminster Fuller in mind when he said:

    " When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty but when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."

    It's not enough to brew a beer that gets a reaction like "hmm...that was interesting". The really beautiful ones will be the ones we keep going back for again and again; the others will probably just be seen as a stepping stone at best.
     
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  9. 1eyed_jack

    1eyed_jack Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2012 Illinois

    I think more accurately people will look back in complete shock and humor and say "My God. What was I smoking when I stood in line for beer"

    People that wait in long lines and chase delivery trucks amuse me.
     
  10. qchic

    qchic Maven (1,303) Jul 6, 2004 Maryland

    I agree about the pumpkin beer. I lamented the amount of orange on the shelves this past Oct., er Sept, I mean Aug. I, for one didn't buy a single one, and I'm still seeing them at closeout prices. No thank you.

    There was a time when I was happy to see the Punkin, but I'm over it. Maybe it's good as a gateway?
     
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  11. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,102) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    I can see the Session IPA trend eventually dying out. I might be in the minority here, but in my opinion, each one I have tried has felt thin and unbalanced.

    Session IPAs seem to float around the beer spectrum somewhere in between pale ales, milds, English bitters, and IPAs without having the redeeming qualities of any of them. @Sixpoint, I know you are not one for definitive genres or styles, but regardless of whether you're brewing strictly to a style's guidelines or not, the flavors and textures still have to work. I think you guys have achieved this successfully with certain brews such as The Crisp and Sweet Action.

    We have seen a slight resurgence recently in pilsners, Helles lagers, gose, etc. and I think eventually those will become the more popular "session beers" as people become more familiar with the characteristics of each.
     
  12. hillind

    hillind Savant (1,007) Apr 24, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Couldn't agree more. I like stone's go to and I also enjoyed Victory' 19th anny, but I think these session IPAs become boring after one or two which kind of defeats the purpose. Much rather enjoy a Sweet Action, Prima Pils, or some other well rounded low ABV beer that is much more interesting to session imo.
     
  13. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    pumpkin beers can't die soon enough as far as I'm concerned
     
  14. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    it needs to in order for the Weizenbock to come roaring back ;-)
     
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  15. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    I take it personally because it really cut back on Octoberfest beers and I loved that style with that time of year. For a couple decades I enjoyed the Octoberfest norm, and now it is shared with pumpkin beers. Fuck pumpkins.
     
  16. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Maven (1,330) Apr 2, 2011 Maine
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    Great post, and I agree with much of what you said. You are spot on with recalling the prevalence of Browns, Hefes, and Ambers when I first started drinking craft (then microbrew) in the late 90s. I have a feeling pumpkin beers are here to stay if only because fall still rolls around once a year and they just seem like such a great idea every year...until I buy them and realize they aren't very good!
     
  17. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    Ebb and Flow. What was popular yesterday is no longer popular today, but will be again in the future.
     
  18. smanson56

    smanson56 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Feb 15, 2014 New Hampshire
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    As new people come and join this craft beer family they will all have to have there time to try all the different beers that we have tried as they have been developed by he brewers. I will admit to going through a pumpkin beer cycle at one point in time. I have gotten away from it now and in fact didn't buy a single bottle this fall. But alas I received a bottle of CCB Good Gourd Almighty from a friend in Fl on Friday. Will I drink it? Damn sure I will. May all types of beer live forever so that all the future BA can form there own opinions about in there own time.
     
  19. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I'd say the constant of the U.S. "craft" brewing culture may be fickle tastes, but this doesn't seem to apply to the overall U.S. brewing culture -- nor to the world's other great brewing cultures -- at all. Maybe, then, this notion that "variety trumps quality" is the next casualty?
     
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  20. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    Niche styles will come and go to reduce the footprint of an ever-expanding craft market. Stalwarts, e.g. IPAs, will remain as unblemished as Halle Berry's skin.
     
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