Where have all the Altbiers gone?

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  1. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Zealot (505) May 25, 2019 Maryland

    I am one of the hugest Maltheads here and I load up on Ales all the time that dont have much hops and I am sastisfied. I like hops but more in the background maybe half. Does SC not get many domestic or import Ales?
     
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  2. Aichelberger

    Aichelberger Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 9, 2004 Maryland
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    Yes. Yes it is. I had Old Meck Copper in Charlotte. Loved it!
     
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  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    there actually seems to be a minor renaissance in smaller (dare we say craft) maltsters popping up. I think that, like jesskidden noted, many of the popular craft beer styles actually require more malt even if it isn't as evident in final flavor, but also that there is a lot of experimentation going on within the malt space. I have certainly seen 'locally malted' advertised in breweries in different parts of the country and, like the altbier style in question, I think that the experimental use of local/regional malt houses and their use of local/regional grain varieties is just largely confined to taproom only or very limited distribution beers.
    The major market is certainly favoring fruity and fruity hop flavors above all so many styles are less prevalent on retail shelves even while being available in local breweries in fairly large volume
     
  4. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    No worries, Appreciate it.
     
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  5. Celtics76

    Celtics76 Pooh-Bah (1,781) Sep 5, 2011 Rhode Island
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    It's too bad. Altbiers just don't sell. One of my favorite styles is ESB, and I have the same issues. Don't see much other than Shipyard Old Thumper.
     
  6. Aichelberger

    Aichelberger Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 9, 2004 Maryland
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    Another good drinkable style. You're right. Not too many out there.
     
  7. Aichelberger

    Aichelberger Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 9, 2004 Maryland
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    True. The year-old one I pulled from the shelf the other day tasted a year old. Not "bad," mind you, but definitely not fresh. I recall seeing Uerige cans awhile back that said the beer was shipped in large containers from Düsseldorf and then canned in New Jersey, as I recall. Didn't buy them. Then again, the cans would probably preserve the taste a bit longer.
     
  8. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Specialized malts could coax more of those desired trendy fruity flavors too, and support larger distribution....maybe...I'm just guessing. But generally malts seem like an untapped area of experimentation.
     
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  9. Aichelberger

    Aichelberger Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 9, 2004 Maryland
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    Quick follow-up... I did a little personal "taste test" of US craft Alts (primarily Coppers) awhile back. Over time, I tried Old Mecklenburg Copper, Otter Creek Copper, Long Trail Ale, Union Balt Alt, Southampton Altbier, Fordham Copperhead, Victory Ten Years Alt, Brewer's Alley Wedding Alt, Evolution Secret Spot Ale, and Lagunitas Censored Ale. (Not all are classified as "Alts" on BA, though they were at one time--at least unofficially.) There was even a one-off special Altbier brewed especially for the Maryland Brewers Oktoberfest event by a team of local craft breweries (that was good!). Bottom line is that the best of the lot is easily the Old Meck, but since I can't get it in Maryland, I think most drinkable of the rest, IMHO, is the Long Trail; though I buy the others (particularly the seasonals like the Brewer's Alley one) when I can. I'm a fan of the style. What can I say?
     
  10. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I strongly agree. I wouldn't be surprised if, 5 or 10 years from now, novel varieties and uses of malts gives us an explosion of malt forward styles similar to the hop forward wave we're in. I see it dovetailing into current beer culture through the pastry stouts/Imperial stouts as well as what I perceive as a slight increase in barleywine/strong ale/old ale going on at the moment
     
  11. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    Every time I see the title of this thread, all I hear is Paula Cole singing it in my head.
     
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  12. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    The average beer consumer probably has no idea of what an Altbier is; terror of the unknown. Maybe that's why Alaskan labels theirs as an Amber Ale.

    Last sentence...suggested to me by others in another thread. :wink:
     
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  13. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    It very well could be a Doppelsticke Altbier.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Uerige beers are imported into the US by B. United and that importer does periodically import some of the beers they handle via tank and those tanked beers are canned at the B. United site in Oxford, CT.

    According to the B. United website the Sticke version of Uerige Altibier is available in cans:

    “Uerige "Sticke" CAN 24 x 12.0oz / 355.0mL 6 x 4 Pack Cans

    Uerige Obergaerige Hausbrauerei”

    http://www.bunitedint.com/information/collections/cans/

    Cans do have the benefit that once the beer is packaged there is zero air (oxygen) ingress into the package, which is not the case for bottled beers. Having stated that, how well a canned beer will hold up over time is a factor of how much oxygen was introduced during the packaging process (measured via TPO – Total Packaged Oxygen) and how the beers were stored (i.e., temperature of storage).

    Cheers!
     
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  15. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Yep - that's my pet peeve with State Line - old beer!
     
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  16. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Whenever you're in TX, Altstadt Brewers outside of Fredericksburg produce a decent altbier, cleverly called "Alt". It's available at HEB in the SAT area, among others.
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There has been a fair bit of discussion about the various ‘types’ of Altbier.

    For example Uerige brewery produces three ‘versions’ of Altbier:

    · Uerige Alt: 4.6% ABV

    · Uerige Sticke: 6% ABV

    · Uerige DoppelSticke: 8.5% ABV

    There are other differences between these three ‘variants’ beyond amount of alcohol (i.e., amount of malt used to brew the beer). For example, Uerige Sticke is more highly hopped including hops added for a dry hopping process.

    https://www.uerige.de/en/produkte.html

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Insomniac

    Insomniac Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2019 Canada (ON)

    As coincidence would have it, I was in my local bottle shop today and what did they have but Uerige Altbier. I’ve never seen this before, so of course I picked one up.
     
  19. Gunslinger711

    Gunslinger711 Zealot (663) Apr 16, 2010 Indiana

    Folks in Central and Northern Indiana have seasonal access to People's Brewing Company's Alt Ready To Go, a solid representation of the style I think.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Is there a bottle (or can) date on that beer?

    Cheers!
     
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