COVID stupidity in MA

First, as I've said numerous times, it's the hospitals that are the true concern. The hospitals were in fact being overwhelmed in multiple states.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/8905...lms-intensive-care-units-at-florida-hospitals

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-hospitals-in-texas-and-arizona-now

I think I've mentioned this in multiple posts now...so I guess my question to you is, is this not an issue in your opinion? Because it is the very reason even the most stubborn governors (Texas, Florida, Arizona) had to implement some type of shut down.

Not everyone who gets Covid dies (obviously) but many are hospitalized. Moreover, the post you responded to I wasn't talking about deaths, I was talking about the number of cases. That's an important data point regarding the hospitalizations.

Second, let's say the shutting down approach is incorrect. Then there are MULTIPLE countries in the world that did the incorrect thing. However if you think what other countries did was incorrect, I wouldn't agree, because they were able to open their economies quicker and are now in better shape than the US.

Third, what you're suggesting here...

...Sweden actually tried, and failed. They admitted as much. And their economy is not better off for it (in fact it's likely in a worse position now).

They tried to keep much of the economy open and isolate the elderly.

Read this, "Man Behind Sweden's Virus Strategy Says He Got Some Things Wrong".

And their deaths per capita is higher than the US for what it's worth. Of course I suppose the claim here would then be made this is because Sweden's population is older than the US.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

 

yeah I should clarify my language from unreliable reporting to unreliable testing. From what I’ve read India’s central government has lacked infrastructure to distribute tests Consistently, so states have differing approaches to testing and different tests. Hence unreliable.

 

Obviously I meant very young population.

 

The USA shutdown for six weeks. The initial estimates if you remember in The US was for 2.2 million deaths. If we shutdown any longer we would have started running out of food and other vital supplies. The states that had the most draconian shutdowns (some still are shutdown) had the most deaths, NY, NJ, CA. I am here for the beer so I will leave this topic alone.

 

You keep getting dunked on, so it's probably better that you drop the subject.

 

I imagine the logistical issues with getting tests out to all of the rural villages make it difficult to implement as well.

 

sure I am. The implication is that the US didn't shutdown, some states are still shutdown (like this OP states). We all stayed home for at least six weeks as you may recall. What statements of mine have been "dunked on"?

 

I suggest you go back and read the detailed responses to your posts. I think your best idea thus far was moving on from this topic.

 

Maybe I’m hungover but your last post seemed to be drawing a connection between states with the most proactive/robust lockdowns and mortality - if so that’s sort of dunking on yourself. So you’re saying that if NY/NJ/CA hadn’t instituted a lockdown at all then there would have been less deaths? It’s quite possible I misunderstood so if so, apologies.

 

I suggest you go through my responses and pick out one that is not true.

 

I would hesitate before using India as an example. It is probably the worlds hot spot right now.

 

Well, since you asked for it, I choose one: we were never in danger of running out of food. You’ve heard of certain people who have been designated as essential workers? Well, people working in food production were designated as essential, and so were truck drivers, those responsible for the delivery of food. And super markets, where people buy food, were declared essential. We didn’t have the abundance of food we did before, but we had the staples we needed to maintain our lives. People did not starve for lack of food. This information was widely circulated back in April. We didn’t starve and we aren’t going to. Even our very stable genius of a president, the same one who aced his cognitive exam, explained this same information in a press conference to the nation during the height of the pandemic.

And perhaps more appropriate, it’s not so much your “facts” that people are disagreeing with. It’s your logic or lack thereof.

 

Talk about not reading the whole article:

prognosis
New Covid Cases Soar in Denmark, Surpassing No-Lockdown Sweden
By
Niclas Rolander
and
Morten Buttler
September 10, 2020, 10:16 AM EDT

 

I knew it would be a matter of time until you made this political. Trump left this to the state governments to make policy and Cuomo and Murphy made the it the disaster it became. Forcing nursing homes to take in active Covid cases was murder- more then 40% of Covid deaths in The US took place in nursing homes. Trump was called a racist for shutting down flights from China (the true villian in this story) while Pelosi was telling Americans to go to China Town for dinner. Blow it out your ass.

 

This is in relation to what, exactly?

 

Grrrrrr, Tiger.

 

that is in relation to the posting no lockdown Sweden had a made a mistake. The American states and cities with the strongest lockdown laws had the highest number of deaths. Lockdowns aren't as important as not forcing active cases into nursing homes where 40% of all Americans have died.
New Covid Cases Soar in Denmark, Surpassing No-Lockdown Sweden
By
Niclas Rolander
and
Morten Buttler
September 10, 2020, 10:16 AM EDT

 

And India, which was pointed out as apparently the gold standard for Covid fighting- is now the planets hot bed. Their lower death rate might have something to do with having one of the worlds youngest populations and I am sure lacks millions of people sitting in nursing homes waiting to be infected by active cases being put in the next bed.

 

Okay. Just 3 examples:

False.

Lol. No. Trump was called a racist because he kept calling it the Wuhan or China virus. Please provide one reputable example of anyone calling him a racist for shutting down some travel from China. Whether you, or me, or anyone thinks calling it the China virus is racist is irrelevant. No one of any import called shutting down some travel from China racist.

And btw, travel from China was never completely shutdown, as Trump continues to claim. From the conservative Washington Times:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/trump-never-actually-banned-flights-from-china-or-/

False. It's less harmless, but not virtually harmless.

False.

You show, time and again, that you believe falsehoods, but when confronted with evidence to the contrary - as I and many others have done throughout this thread - you just change the subject or continue to stick to your guns.

 

Well first, the article I posted here is from June. Sweden admitted this was the wrong approach and I believe they then implemented some type of shut down afterwards. So if Denmark has more cases now that could be because they are less locked down than Sweden is today, which is now September, not June. I don’t have a reference for this, but I can search for this information if you like.

Also, I simply scanned the Bloomberg article you sent and found this, which runs counter to both the title and your argument.

“But Sweden still stands out in the region as the country to have suffered the highest number of Covid fatalities, by far. Per 100,000, Sweden’s Covid death rate is now about 57, compared to 11 in Denmark and 5 in Norway.”

I didn’t say they were the gold standard, they’re far from it. I brought up India because the size of the US population was brought up as a reason for having more cases/deaths.

India has a far greater population than the US, but less cases. Note I said cases, which has nothing to do with deaths and India having a younger population.

Now, it’s been pointed out that India may not be the best example due to inadequate testing, but that's besides the point regarding your post.