Over the Rainbow? Why Queer Beer Is Important

Said in a thread called “why queer beer is important”. It would seem that the idea behind “Gay Beer” is that sexuality of brewers is worth noting and considering.

 

I see it quite differently. The objectification and devaluing of women both reflects and perpetuates a political position. If a company is engaging in such messaging while also trying to make a few bucks, then they are using their product to benefit from and advance that political position.

 

If the sexuality of brewers or anyone in the beer world was NOT worth noting and considering then there would be no need for the article. That’s the point.

 

People often misunderstand their First Amendment rights.

"Congress shall make no law..."
Nowhere is there any mention of private companies, private citizens or anything other than Congress.

It's real simple. Certain speech is prohibited here. You just can't be in violation of a law for saying it. You can be deleted or tossed however.

Cheers

 

Despite whatever your political position is, I can see why people would support certain breweries for social causes. I drink a lot of Miller products, not just because it’s really cheap and easy to drink, but they also do great work for the environment as well as invest in rebuilding communities:

https://www.molsoncoors.com/sustainability/collectively-crafted/our-communities

They also focus on helping prevent drunk driving with their Free Rides program which is amazing:

https://www.molsoncoors.com/sustainability/responsibly-refreshing/drunk-driving-prevention

So, honestly, to each their own - it all comes down to what you like to drink, how much you choose to spend, and who you choose to spend it on.

 

Came here to look at a review and the article on the front page piqued my interest. Unsurprisingly, this thread turned out to be a microcosm of why I choose not to participate in beer culture anymore. Queer folks exist in beer, this not an opinion, this not a political belief, this a fact. This article basically states that fact, points to some ways they have been discriminated against, and says here are some ways to support. I am glad I have that information now so I can support my community in the market. If this provokes an intense reaction in you, maybe ask yourself why.

 

When did treating everyone as you would want to be treated become political? Whatever happened to being a decent human being?

 

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This is a thread where one BA told another to “go suck a bag of dicks” (a post that got likes from 20 other BA) for essentially saying that details of the brewer’s personal life have no impact on the quality or taste of the beer and are therefore irrelevant. I think a little more decency on both sides of this would be warranted.

 

I’ve posted too much here today but couldn’t resist one more - last one from me.

There is lovely irony to this post where the poster is seemingly coming to the defense of homosexuals in brewing but his defense is to suggest that the offender is himself a homosexual. This guy clearly considers calling someone a homosexual to be an insult which, when you think about it, is quite a bit more offensive than what prompted the response

 

Only if you think oral sex between opposite sexes is OK but homosexual acts are not acceptable.

That is the insult and the irony at once.
The statement is insulting only to the homophobe.

I am mildly offended that you believe I clearly think calling someone a homosexual is insulting. Basically, I can not explain sarcasm or irony to you.

Cheers

Edit,
Let me add that you are assuming I am a guy, which given my user name is not at all a given. In summary; when you are in a hole, stop digging.

 

Can't say much, other than to say I am always happy to see more inclusiveness in this awesome beer hobby. Also glad to see Todd allows opposing opinions, whether I agree or not, as that is generally not allowed in this society. Discussion, as a whole, is healthy. IMO.

 

Saying “who cares about anything but the taste of the beer” in a thread that has the goal of highlighting many things not associated with the taste of the beer is dismissive and offensive. People in the lgbtq+ community are dying to be treated like equals. But they aren’t being treated like equals. Not even close. And when you say “who cares about this” you’re ignoring that people aren’t being treated equally, or, worse, you don’t care that they are not being treated equally, which caused pain to some. The whole point of these articles and threads is to say “don’t just think about the taste of the beer, think of something else.” To then have someone come in and say “too bad, I’m just gonna think of the taste of the beer anyways” is typically a demonstration of ignorance. Of course, the person who posts it probably doesn’t know they’re being a ignorant. They actually think they’re being fair and equal, judging beer on the only thing that should matter. That’s fine. But such a response is gonna royally piss of the lgbtq+ community and their advocates. So a reaction of anger is completely justified. The question becomes, will that person have an open mind when the people they pissed off explain why they are pissed off?

 

Thanks for the article!

Support queer owned beer when you can and support POC owned beer when you can!

Cheers BA!

 

Progressive tolerance on parade. Both sides have their share of people who actively tear each other down to make themselves feel better. It erodes the legitimacy of their arguments and often shows that while they champion certain agendas their personal beliefs are often out of line with those agendas.

 

Mature.

 

Nice way to facebook.

Found the narcissist.

 

Mature was not what I was going for, but if that's your take away I can not disagree.

Perhaps a reasoned discussion within a Descartes or perhaps Locke structured debate would be more appropriate to indulge fellow BA's who would write off the being of so many brewers? I am reasonably certain this has been tried for a few decades. Here we are in 2021. It didn't work.

I don't know. Suck a Bag of Dicks seems to be an appropriate response.

Cheers

 

This poster's point is the most important part of these conversations to me. Someone's identity is not up for debate and they don't deserve to have their identity made into some kind of logic game where you gain points by catching someone in a contradiction or by being the funniest.

To paraphrase a bit, this is how these conversations seem to go:
Person 1: It's nice to talk about how this part of who I am and how it affects the way I experience and enjoy beer.
Person 2: I don't want to hear about that part of who you are
Person 3: You can't talk about that part of yourself here because I don't see it being a beer thing
Person 4: That aspect of who you are isn't valid, let me quote some "science"
Person 5: POLITICS

We have fellow BAs from every walk of life and they deserve to be able to express every part of their humanity. As one poster previously said, it's your issue if you're bothered by someone expressing an aspect of their identity. It's on you to figure out why you're bothered by it. Ask about the things you don't understand but be courteous and respectful.

 

Got it.

 

I don’t think that is an accurate description of this thread.

People mention details of their personal life on BA all the time typically in the context of beer. I would not expect that a gay person doing the same thing would have a different response than anyone else.

For a thread like this one, where we are urged to consider some aspect of someone’s non-beer related personal life important and worthy of special attention, I would expect a rejection of that argument using terms we’ve seen here regardless of what those details were.