The Alarming Truth About Local Beer Production

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The below video was shot in Ireland but I think the discussion topics are relevant to the US (and other countries).

    Aspects that ‘jumped out’ for me was that malt prices have increased 30% (over the past year?). That is a significant increase in price. There is also a discussion that cardboard price has increased by a factor of 6X which impacts breweries in terms of packaging (cardboard trays, six-pack holders for bottled beer…).

    A tough business time for craft breweries.

    Cheers!

     
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  2. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    Awesome video, however nothing made me more jealous than seeing an entire 'bitters' section of beers at their grocery store :grin:

    I know in my experience, the brewery I frequent weekly I don't do for the owners(given previous experiences I've shared before on here), but the brewers, bartenders and other staff, whom I've raved to about beers that were my favorites(and have not come back yet), supported at local fests and grown to know on a more familiar level.

    I wish I could see how it helps those individuals, as they do not sell to-go at my closest location, but I'll keep frequenting and hope for the best.
     
  3. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico

    Financial strength vs. size. The question every brewer asked themselves around March 15th, 2020 is the same question they should be asking themselves today; What does the balance sheet look like? How much beer do I need to sell to maintain a sustainable business? Most regional breweries are likely to shrink in the upcoming years, mine included. Some smaller taproom-only breweries will as well. We will definitely see some larger breweries, regional breweries, and even some small breweries go under. Most, like Anchor, people that know will not be surprised. But there will be a ton that do come as a surprise and that comes down to those pertinent first two questions.

    There have been so many incredible price increases it's hard to count them all now. Beer prices are going to continue to go up. Wages in breweries will continue to rise as a percentage of COGS. But if balance sheets look good now, and a brewery can continue to produce enough products that people want to buy, I truly believe they will be fine.
     
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    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Upward price pressure comes from many directions. But I suspect that the biggest factor for a great majority of brewers is the packaging component. Cans are the current market leader in the US, and likely the most expensive delivery method. Also pushing prices upward is the proliferation of one-offs and small runs. Commodity costs (malt, hops, etc.) are a factor, but likely not a deal breaker. Another issue that is difficult to handle is the proliferation of breweries. When sales volume doesn't meet expectation, or drops, the fixed overhead doesn't change much, and the business falters.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jeff, I am not an accountant or finance person so please bear with me here. I would think that an aspect here (perhaps a big aspect?) is the debt part of the business. For example if the craft brewery took out loans a number of years ago when interest rates were very low this may be a sustainable part of their business. In contrast if a craft brewery recently took on debt with contemporary high interest rates this could be very challenging for them from a finance/business regard.

    Hopefully for La Cumbre Brewing there is not a big debt load and what debt there is, the interest rate is very low.

    Cheers!
     
  6. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Jack, thanks for posting. As always.

    I'll be honest, it's not you, but

    "The Alarming Truth About Local Beer Production; Why we NEED to Care!" is a really easy way for me to ignore the click bait.

    "Is this THE END OF CRAFT BEER?"

    Horrors.
    These YouTubers can fuck off. I believe nothing of what they have to report. Nothing. Zip.

    Also, GET OFF MY LAWN!

    Rant over.
    I truly hope craft beer survives this latest episode of falling sky.
    Cheers.
     
  7. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    There's a lot of factors in play. Running a startup brewery is difficult in the best of times, there's a whole load of highly successful ones that came to the brink many times as they were building their business into a sustainable place. Now add inflation, supply chain issues, a war that has knock on effects with global oil and grain production, a vast over expansion for the years leading up to covid, consumer tastes trending towards cocktails, consumers having a tiktock level attention span when it comes to releases. Easy stuff, right?

    Support the breweries you want to survive. Hopefully your local is included there.
     
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  8. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    His number one complaint is high malt prices, which he attributes to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I’m sure it’s affected prices globally, but I’d suspect that’s hit European brewers harder than U.S. brewers.

    As an aside, most of of the core challenges he’s describing are only going to become, on average, harder and harder each year due to climate change: grain shortages and price fluctuations; rising energy costs; refugee crises; supply chain disruptions; changing consumer priorities; not to mention insurance prices.
     
  9. ManforallSaisons

    ManforallSaisons Pooh-Bah (1,554) Mar 20, 2008 Belgium
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    Ability to pay your debt is absolutely a life/death issue for business. If revenue minus cost is generating barely enough cash to pay outstanding loans, that's a deadly serious situation. Even if loans were taken out in a time of lower rates, not all or even many businesses build up a big cash stockpile to pay off all their loans on the due date — many have to roll over their loans, so the rates will reset. I also would guess that relatively few breweries, especially newer ones, have long-term loans.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What would be a typical duration/timeframe for a business loan?

    Cheers!
     
  11. ManforallSaisons

    ManforallSaisons Pooh-Bah (1,554) Mar 20, 2008 Belgium
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    I doubt there is some typical duration across all industries, and I don't know about brewing, but there are so many variables, cash flow history, whether the loans is secured against equipment or property ... others may know (although those that know may not want to say)
     
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  12. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico

    I remember back in 2013-2016 being actively courted by banks offering me pretty much whatever I wanted. I had offers that amounted to 5x of our annual gross profit (not net, gross). This kind of debt would have allowed us to build a 50,000 sf facility with a capacity of over 100,000 bbls/year easily. But to service the payments on that debt, we would have had no choice but to grow by a rate of 30% for several years. At the time, we were growing by 40%, so why not? If we had not reached 50,000 bbls/year in short order, we would have been put in a position where we either would have had to sell the company, or we would have gone bankrupt.

    Without throwing any one brewer under the bus, many brewers made that bet. And with the growth of 2013-2016, who could blame them? A lot of brewers got drunk on success and I feel for them. I am just glad I had some financially conservative voices in my ear and I didn't take that bet. Sure, maybe we'll be stuck under 25,000 bbls for who knows how long. But if we can keep on keeping on, we're fine. If we had to shrink by 20%, that would suck, but we would survive. Many brewers have no such freedom.

    I would predict we will see a ramping up of fire sales and closures as the banks begin to lose patience, but I've been wrong many many times, so who knows.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jeff, thanks so much for sharing that information.

    On a related note (I think) is the case of Victory Brewing who made a decision to expand into a new, larger brewery in Parkesburg, PA back in 2014. From an online article:

    “In 2011, we faced the choice of either retracting markets or expanding our production, as demand outpaced our supply,” said Bill Covaleski, Victory’s president and co-founder/brewmaster. “I guess you know which way we landed! Now, after more than 18 months of planning and construction, and maybe just one or two sleepless nights in there, we’re excited to finally show-off this beautiful new brewery.”

    https://beerpulse.com/2014/02/victory-brewing-co-officially-launches-parkesburg-location-2539/

    Around that time, I ran into a Victory Sales Rep while he was visiting a beer retailer (a local Whole Foods store). I asked him how the expansion plan was going and during that conversation he made mention that the Victory owners (at that time Bill Covaleski and Ron Barchet) took out a loan for $35 million to fund this expansion. I remember thinking: whoa, that is a lot of money.

    As it turns out a couple of years later (2016), Victory was sold to a holding company: Artisanal Brewing Ventures. Likely there are a number of reasons that Bill and Ron decided to consummate this sale but I suspect that ‘transferring’ that large debt load was one reason (a main reason?). After the sale both Bill and Ron stayed on working as consultants (at a healthy salary) and needless to say a sizeable amount of money in their wallets from the sale. I think it is fair to say that from a financial perspective things worked out well for both Bill and Ron (and the 30+ investors in Victory Brewing as well?) but with the ‘tradeoff’ of Bill and Ron not being ultimately in control.

    You made mention of “I would predict we will see a ramping up of fire sales and closures…”. Given the challenging business landscape of the craft beer industry today this seems to be a reasonable prediction.

    I am glad to hear that things are going OK/well at La Cumbre and I wish you continuing success.

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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