Beer History and Django Unchained

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  1. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Pooh-Bah (1,837) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    not a discussion of the movie generally, just the appearances of beer in the film.

    at least three tidbits that i'm wondering if beer historians could clarify:

    1) were american southerners already drinking pale golden pilsner, out of clear glass mugs in 1858? pilsner had only started to take europe by storm a decade before.

    2) would the beer have been dispensed with an (at a glance) english-style hand-pump/beer engine? in the film, waltz's character operates it in a manner sort of in-between that of hand-pump and modern keg, filling the first glass (if i remember correctly) with just one pumping motion and having the beer continuously pour out as if it was force-carbonated like a keg. the second glass was filled with several pumping motions, more like english cask beer.

    3) later on, dicaprio's character gives his fighter slave a bottle of beer with a swingtop (beugel). were these the dominant small-serving containers at the time? even if so however, the bottle in the film looked contemporary 20th/21st century, with white plastic plug and an orange-colored rubber washer. or maybe that wasn't plastic...?
     
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  2. Penguin3200

    Penguin3200 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2008 Minnesota

    I saw these and was more just in awe of the cinematography employed for these shots, than worrying about the accuracy of the time period.

    What a great movie.

    Interested to see the replies as to whether this is accurate historically
     
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  3. mikeburd1128

    mikeburd1128 Maven (1,409) Oct 28, 2011 New Jersey

    Bro, next time you're gonna ruin all the good beer scenes in a movie, go ahead and throw a "SPOILER ALERT" in the thread title. Not cool...
     
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  4. mh007

    mh007 Aspirant (210) Sep 10, 2008 Canada (ON)

    I was thinking the same thing.

    I'm also interested in the historical accuracy of the beer knife that he uses to cut the head.
     
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  5. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Initiate (0) May 31, 2012 Arizona

    Not sure but I do know that a buddy and I split a 6 pack of Dale's Pale Ale while watching it. What a kick ass movie!
     
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  6. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    You know you're a beer nerd if that's your greatest concern coming out of that movie.
     
  7. FEUO

    FEUO Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2012 Canada (ON)

    Shut the front door! Beer refs in a movie make it more.
    Can't wait to enjoy Django but love the beer notes. Cheers!
     
  8. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Pooh-Bah (1,837) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    just questions out of genuine curiosity. not concerns. i certainly have plenty of good and bad things to say about the film, which i enjoyed overall despite reservations. but that's not a beer conversation, and this IS a beer forum, after all...
     
  9. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    *patiently waiting for jesskiddens's knowledge bomb*
     
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  10. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Pooh-Bah (1,837) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    hehe, i specifically beermailed him to see if he had any factoids to proffer :grinning:
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    That guy really needs to be on the site's payroll if he's not already.
     
  12. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    Don't worry, I had all the same questions as you after seeing the movie. I eagerly await factual replies to this thread. Thanks for the post!
     
  13. Knapp85

    Knapp85 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,712) Dec 25, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    One of the best films I've seen, I was just happy to see them enjoying beer in it. I can't say it matters if the bottles, pumps, or styles are legit. It's still a killer flick and everyone should see it. It's fun, it's comical and exciting.
     
  14. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Because all other parts of movies don't matter, right?
     
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  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Only tiny quantities of Pale Lager were brewed outside Bohemia before the 1880's. In the 1850's the vast majority of Lager brewed in the world was in the dark Munich style. If a beer was golden-coloured, it was more likely to be a Pale Ale.

    Not sure when swingtops were invented. In 1858 most bottled beer would hvae been sealed with a cork.
     
  16. mschofield

    mschofield Pooh-Bah (1,871) Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    also, you know you're a beer nerd when now knowing there are beer scenes you're more likely to go watch the movie
     
  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    1. Lager brewing in the US began in the 1840's but it was primarily heavier/darker German styles, what Geo. Ehret (once the largest brewer in America) described as "a brewage of a deep reddish-brown color, peculiar to heavily-malted beers" in his 1890's book, Twenty-Five Years of Brewing. "Pilsen" or "Bohemian" beers in the US don't become generally available until the 1870's and '80's, with the acceptance of adjunct brewing. US ales of the era would also have been much darker than a "golden pilsner". Glass mugs also sound like an anachronism but I'm not too up on US pre-Pro drinkware history.

    2. You can read how draught beer was served in the US before the use of "carbonic gas" to push beer out here Draught beer at the turn of the Twentieth Century in the US but basically they would have had laid sideways with just had a spout driven into a top bung and vented through the side bung. After that (and, so, well after your era) what essentially is today's "picnic tap" was used, pumping air into a keg. I've never found any evidence of an UK-style "beer engine/pump" being used in the US.

    3. That "flip-top"(aka among some as "Grolsch-style") closure for beer bottles doesn't become popular until the 1870's and eventually dies out with the invention of the crown cork (1890's IIRC). As Ron notes above, corks would have been the primary closure for bottles mid-19th century. When the "flip-tops" - called Lightning closures - were used for beer, the "white plastic plug" were either metal and, more commonly found today, white porcelain and often were branded with the brewer's name. They're still found in dumps by those who dig for bottles and cans.

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    Beer bottling in the US didn't really take off until the adoption of pasteurization (popularized by some joke named "Busch" in St. Louis) - again well after the pre-Civil War era.
     
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  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    We've had to remove a bunch of off-topic posts in this thread from people who apparently can't read.

    As per the OP's request, please keep the thread focused on "appearances of beer in the film."

    Start a blog if you want to give your opinion on slavery or Quentin Tarantino. Thanks all.
     
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  19. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Would they have lagers? Seems hard to ferment one in the desert. Unless it was was like the california common yeast but even then it's more on the lower end of ale fermentation temps. Id imagine beer would be fermented in casks then tapped on the bar, poured via gravity.
     
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