Let's Give Lagers Some Love (2025)

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  1. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Just seems like a beer mom’s in their 50’s and 60’s would drink. Idk maybe I have that confused with Michelob Ultra.
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, according to their late '70s ad campaign, since Mom "liked" Heineken, it only follows...
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Okay. So should this be filed under ABV shaming or subtlety shaming? :thinking_face:
     
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  4. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I have no idea! It is a very decent lager though. Never seen it in cans before. $6.99 for a 4pk. Not bad.
     
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  5. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Big fan of this one. Cheers!!
     
  6. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Maybe your comment was a bit of light hearted humor, at least that’s how I read it.

    Then again, when reading to original post, I didn’t get “shaming” of any kind? I read it as nostalgic. Nostalgia tends towards fond memories. And yes, people of different demographics (as a whole) tend to enjoy different things.

    Anyway I personally came from a time/place when woman didn’t drink beer at all, because beer was considered vulgar. Imagine my surprise seeing old print and television advertising featuring respectable women, when the current advertising was clearly exploitative.
     
  7. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Trying a new beer from Sweden's largest brewery Spendrups under their old brand name Gränges. One of two brands of beer launched this year at 4% abv through the monopoly. The Swedish alcohol monopoly had requested two new beers of a lower abv and this brewery won both tenders. This is the newest beer launched this month. It is an interesting abv level since it is in line with Czech Vycepni 10% beers, and this was also the abv limit for beer in Sweden in the 1920s-1940s when the standard beer in Sweden was very similar to Czech 10% beers (our own version of 3.2 beer). I have often wondered what sort of beers Swedish breweries could produce if they could sell beer at this strenght through grocery stores, and if they would be significantly better than the 2.8% abv and 3.5% abv beers which are currently sold there. So this is a sort of what-if beer to me.

    Colorwise it is golden, so it likely has a few percentage points of Munich in the grist alongside Pilsner malt. The aroma is lightly malty with a light hop note. Tastewise the beer is hop forward, in a sense, it has a hop bitterness that is notable but not strong, it must be close to 30 IBUs, slightly below perhaps. It makes the beer very refreshing and also invites another gulp since there is something to grab onto for the tastebuds despite the low abv and lighter body. And there is a hop flavor that I recall from another brand of beer from this brewery, which uses Hallertauer Tradition at quite a high level (in that beer it is used as a whirlpool hop), so I'd wager to guess that it is used also in this beer. It is moderately hop aromatic, offering a fresh herbal hoppiness in the taste I would say. There is also a mild malty breadiness in the aftertaste but the beer is more towards the dry and hoppy end of the spectrum I would say.

    All in all I think this beer ticks alot of boxes as a sort of Pilsner-esque 10% plato 4% abv beer, without it tasting like a Czech beer, and I think it's quite a nice one at that. I notice that as I drink a second can of it the lightness of the body is less apparent, it feels more more balanced, while the hops become more apparent, which I think points to the drinkability of this style of beer. I think this type of beer is well suited for drinking in volume where you acclimate to the body of the beer and the beer starts to taste more developed the more you drink of it. I may still prefer Export strenght beers of higher gravities, but viewed as a separate style, a lower gravity pilsner type beer, I think this beer has something to offer to the drinker.
     
  8. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I've read a number of your posts over the years (always interesting), and the overwhelming impression I get is that lower alcohol beers are featured very prominently in the local market. You occasionally reference higher gravity (higher alcohol) export beers in your posts, but the impression I get is that most beer sold in Sweden is under 5% abv., maybe under 4%? Compared to the rest of Europe, Sweden sounds like an anomaly. Is there some historical explanation for this? I don't get the impression that Sweden has an unusually high incidence of alcohol abuse, so it's a bit puzzling (to me at least). Sooo...

    First off, am I right in assuming that the majority of beer available to Swedish beer consumers is lower alcohol beer? If I recall correctly (from some of your recent posts), higher alcohol beers are taxed "exorbitantly" by the Swedish government, making them almost prohibitively expensive. Assessing an exorbitant tax rate isn't unique to the Swedish government (assuming my recollection of your earlier posts is accurate), but usually there's some sort of underlying cause for them (other than an attempt by the government to find new and creative ways to garner revenue).

    Anyway, assuming my observation and recollections of your earlier posts are accurate, I'm just curious as to what lead up to this (assessing an unusually high tax rate on higher abv. beer in order to force brewers to focus on lower alcohol beers in order to remain viable in the marketplace).

    Thanks!
     
  9. brewme

    brewme Grand Pooh-Bah (4,014) Mar 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Oops
     
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    brewme Grand Pooh-Bah (4,014) Mar 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Oops
     
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  11. brewme

    brewme Grand Pooh-Bah (4,014) Mar 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Here we go....

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  12. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Well, volumewise around 20% of the beer consumed today is lower abv beer (grocery store beer, maximum 3.5% abv), whereas 80% of consumption is made up of "strong beer". So even though the lower abv beers are prevalent in the sense of them being available in every grocery store in Sweden, these days the standard beer consumed is a beer of a normal abv level, and in a way of a higher abv than in other countries (the standard Swedish beer being around 5.2%-5.3% abv compared to the standard 4.6-4.7% abv pilsner/beer of Norway, Denmark and Finland today). It is true however that ever since WW2 up until the most recent decades Swedish beer consumption was heavily weighted towards the low abv beers for legislative and tax related reasons (see for example this thread where I delved further into this topic).
     
  13. brewme

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  14. zotzot

    zotzot Grand Pooh-Bah (5,352) Feb 22, 2015 Vermont
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    Not a bad winter lager from Zero Gravity

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  15. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Side Project - Oma. Cheers!
     
  16. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    One of my personal favorites. Cheers!!
     
  17. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  18. BJC

    BJC Zealot (626) Nov 9, 2002 New Jersey

    I was in Vermont for two weeks in November, but I missed this.
     
  19. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Schell's Snowstorm

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    A fitting beer after shoveling during the midst of our latest snowstorm.

    As the description says on the can, it is a toasty-malty beer, but it has a firm bitterness. I would prefer it if it were a bit less bitter, but it's still a nice dark lager.
     
  20. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Another fitting beer for today/tonight.

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