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1x Fou Foune = ?x LP ?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by Mista, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. Mista

    Mista Nov 10, 2011 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    I'm curious what the masses think

    Is 1x Fou Foune worth 2x Lou Pepe (Kriek, Geuze, Framboise) - any combination of the three?

    or is more like

    2x Fou Foune = 3x Lou Pepe (Kriek, Geuze, Framboise) - any combination of the three?
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  2. drgarage

    drgarage Aug 19, 2008 California

    Closer to the latter. Though I think LP Geueze and FF are closer to equal.
  3. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    1:1 with maybe something small added to the Lou Pepe side. I'd never give up multiple LP's for Fou Foune. I think LP Kriek and LP Fram are superior to Fou Foune but that's based on my personal tastes.
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  4. franklinn

    franklinn May 29, 2012 Vermont

    agreed. Trade value FF is probably higher, but taste both fruited LPs are better for me, personally.
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  5. 4DAloveofSTOUT

    4DAloveofSTOUT Nov 28, 2008 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Why is the LP Gueuze harder to get than LPK & LPF? Is it because the Gueuze beer style uses 3 vintages of lambic to make one blended beer?
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  6. csano

    csano Sep 21, 2010 Washington

    IIRC, the LP gueuze is a blend of two year old Lambic aged in fresh wine barrels.
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  7. LambicKing

    LambicKing Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    As others have said, not 1:1, but (2 of the 3 are) close. I'd say LPG is about a 0.9FF trading coefficient, LPK being 0.75FF and LPF being 0.25 LPF (or lower).

    Full IMO disclosure: FF > LPG > LPK >>>>>>>>>>>> LPF
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  8. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    1:1. Fou Foune is good but nothing amazing. 06 LPF is still the best beer I have ever had.
  9. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Jan 2, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    After two years of heavy international online orders I find The Kriek to be the hardest to get. framboise has been on twice in the last three months with no limit and I was able to order 18 of the Gueze at once. The few times I got Kriek was a one bottle limit
  10. LambicKing

    LambicKing Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    No wonder I can never find LPG.
  11. Jimmyp7010

    Jimmyp7010 Mar 13, 2009 New York

    How does St Lam factor in here? I know it isn't a LP, just curious where it falls in line.
  12. tinypyramids

    tinypyramids Jul 19, 2012 Illinois

    below all of these trade value wise. taste wise is always subjective.
  13. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Feb 9, 2009 Manitoba (Canada)
    Beer Trader

    There really are no hard and fast rules to this, nor a 100% concencous. What I've seen is that FF will loosen the deathgrip people have on rarer stuff easier than the Lou Pepe Fram/Kriek, and marginally better than Lou Pepe Gueuze. Also, less LP-G is made each year than FF, especially now in 2012/2013 (FF production appears to have increased- still miniscule compared to demand though). As a side note, Mamouche is about as rare as Fou Foune as well (again, rarer now in 2012+).

    For Lamvinus- it used to be easier to get trade wise, as well as purchase. Now, the difference between it any the Lou Pepes is shrinking mainly due to demand. Red wine drinkers who like gueuze love the stuff due to the cross-over, and there is no other option in Lambic Land I believe.

    Further to the above, there are other factors - Cherry shortage one cherry knocked out LP-Kriek production by a great deal (2010 sticker version), crushed transport container on a ship knocked out 20-25% of the Fou'Foune another year, etc. Always weird stuff going one with Cantillon it seems...:p
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  14. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Feb 9, 2009 Manitoba (Canada)
    Beer Trader

    Do you mean personal taste wise or trade wise? I've found that Framboise is actually even or higher than LPK lately for some reason. I traded 2 x Lou Pepe Fram 07 (sticker, so 2009 release) for 2 x DDG just recently for example (and it was me answering an ISO, I really didn't want to do any more trades this year...)
  15. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I think Horal is sabotaging them due to jealousy of their tax exempt status!
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  16. LambicKing

    LambicKing Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    Strictly personal taste on the LPK, but serious on trade value and taste of the other two. I'm sure trade value on LPK is higher than what I posted but it's my least favorite of the 4 by far.
  17. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    1-1 and in some ways I would almost go the LP at a higher value as they are a higher cost than FF is. From an international perspective I value LP more than FF as have not seen it in over two years here in Australia and that FF is easier to find now. $4$ wise the LP's are far more costly than FF has been here
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