A Green Bottle Showdown

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JackHorzempa, Feb 10, 2024.

  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,181) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is another blind tasting by Nate Lanier (Tree House Brewing). It has an interesting motif of comparing lagers that are packaged in green bottles.

    I think this blind tasting is an improvement over his previous blind tastings since:
    • He is drinking the beers out of opaque glasses to mitigate potential biases from seeing the beer
    • He decided to take brief notes to help him remember attributes of the beers as he tastes them.
    And the winner is.....



    Cheers!
     
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  2. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,003) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    I am surprised of 2 things. 1) I would think it would be best to rinse between tastes. 2) very surprised the Heineken he didn't mention the skunk smell that is very typical of Heineken.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,181) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If the beer was well protected (e.g., inside a closed box until being consumed) it would not experience being lightstruck.

    I am personally not a Heineken drinker but if I were to purchased this beer I would choose to buy it in cans.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,003) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    I was told Heineken intentional makes the beer that way...not sure if that is true or not, again that is what I was told and it has the skunk nose even from tap. I am not a Heineken drinker either so take this information with a grain of salt..tiny grain
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,181) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe buy a single can of Heineken (for science) and report back?

    Cheers!
     
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  6. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,003) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    I might just do that.
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Nope, and nope.

    Not sure who told you this, but it's a longtime myth about the purposeful skunking. I've enjoyed many Heinekens from tap, bottle, and can that weren't skunked and, when fresh, had a very nice malt character.
     
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  8. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,003) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    Good to hear first hand experience. Thanks.
     
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  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I always wonder about people who claim this, how do they think it worked? Did the brewery call up Pfaudler (the company that installed 1,000s of glass-lined steel tanks in hundreds of US breweries - including, apparently one in Latrobe, PA) and ask if they'd get a discount if they only bought the glass lining and skipped the steel shell. "Yeah, we already have the wall of windows we want it installed next to!"
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  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    There's also the old question of the different perceptions of "skunk." Lots'a folks who have never experienced the Loudon Wainwright III "drivin' down the road late one night..." :wink:
     
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  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,245) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Not surprising that he thought Yuengling was the sweetest of those beers.
     
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  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,523) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I’ve heard that too or some other beer in a green bottle. Not skunking beer on purpose but using brown bottles instead. Charlie Bamforth talked about it on a podcast. He said people were complaining that it didn’t taste as good so they switch back. Maybe it was becks?
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Be interesting if you could find the source. Never heard of any brewers switching back to green.
    @jesskidden

    FWIW -- back in the late '70s & early '80s I had a relative who worked at the local distro handling Beck's. I used to get cases wholesale and always had a couple in my dorm room at any time. Not ever a skunky bottle.
     
  14. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,060) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    I tend to drink the occasional Heineken at the race track in the summertime and it's
    always out of the can, I've never noted any skunky flavor. Earlier this week I drank a
    Heineken 0.0 served in a green bottle, it had more skunk than any "beer" that I've
    had in a very long time

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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,181) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I'm sure it has happened, but can't think of one offhand. Many Euro and other imports have been in green bottles in some markets, brown in others. The one that comes to mind - mostly 'cause I've got a jpeg ready for it - is Labatt in late 70s and early 80s (around the period when the major Canadian brewers abandoned the stubby as their universal bottle).

    US - left, Canada - right.
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    According to the marketing manager for Labatt at the time, "We asked consumers to describe what they would look like* if they were an imported beer and almost every response began with 'We would be in a green bottle.'"

    :grimacing: Yeah, things were different back then. When did Barbara Walters become infamous for her "If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?"

     
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  17. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,060) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    I drank so much Molson Export, Labatt Blue and 50, in the 70's and 80's
    that if you said skunk I would say

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    I don't know if I could choke one down now
     
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    And sometime in the early 80s, Yuengling's Chesterfield Ale would come in both green and brown deposit bottles. I think the green deposits were disappearing from the market, especially after Falstaff moved Ballantine to Ft. Wayne IN after closing Narragansett, and Yuengling couldn't always afford to order and pay for new greenies. Most brewers' deposit bottles were interchangeable, except for color, obviously.
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    But Chesterfield at the time was primarily sold in the deposit case "shells", so they seldom became lightstruck, at least at the retail level.

    The only similar situation I can remember is Matt's Premium coming in clear throw-away bottles and the deposits were standard brown glass, which I always bought when I could - luckily I had a retail beer license at the time in NYS, so I just ordered them for my personal use even if they were typically only sold to bars.
     
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  19. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,060) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    Genesse 12 Horse did time in a green bottle and came back in the brown stubby

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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,071) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Molson's another one, of course, it came in the standard brown stubby in its home market. I think the story goes (not going to bother looking it up, so don't quote me) that a former Van Munching, Heineken's US importer, marketing guy was hired to run Molson's US import division, Martlet, and convinced them use a bottle similar to the Heineken green "almost long neck" and that's when Molson sales took off in the US.
     
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