A new batch of Rare?

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by bertram, Oct 18, 2013.

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  1. jsboots21

    jsboots21 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2009 Tennessee

    I spoke with Brett Porter at WTF? in Denver last Friday. He said that 45 year old bourbon barrels were currently being used to make Rare 2, which would then be followed by King Henry 2. Think he was just spinning the rumor mill?
  2. bertram

    bertram Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2010 Illinois

    Rare 2: Electric Boogaloo
  3. robboyd

    robboyd Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Indiana

    Oh boy, this one is going to be epic (the thread that is).
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  4. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Thank God! This is was a slow day at the office.

    WITTBEER Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2008 Illinois

    Rare 2 is for sure. Gonna be out in 2 years according to my buddy that works at GI.
  6. Beerlistman

    Beerlistman Zealot (596) Jul 9, 2009 Illinois

    It is 45 year old Heaven Hill.
  7. nvlps

    nvlps Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2013 Ohio

    So the Instagram caption says 12 yrs, the tweet says 25 yrs and random guys say 45 yrs. Ok.
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  8. kodt

    kodt Pooh-Bah (2,010) Mar 6, 2013 Illinois
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    Yeah the guy who said 12 year corrected himself to 25. Now it looks like 45 actually? I think we can agree 12 is not correct. 25 or 45 either way this should be good.
  9. otrejo

    otrejo Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2011 Illinois

  10. nvlps

    nvlps Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2013 Ohio

    Isn't the age of the barrel a lot less important than how long it actually had whiskey in it? Is it that these have probably held whiskey three or four times?
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  11. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    Typically if not always, a barrel is only used once for whiskey and bourbon etc.
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  12. nvlps

    nvlps Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2013 Ohio

    I thought so. I guess I just don't get why the age of the barrel itself matters.
  13. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    A barrel that held bourbon for 3 years vs 21 years will have a greater impact on the beer being aged in it
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  14. danimalarkey

    danimalarkey Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Illinois

    I suspect the 'age of the barrel' is just another way of saying how long it held bourbon/whiskey.
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  15. immobilisme

    immobilisme Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2005 Illinois

    To be called bourbon, the spirit must go into barrels that are charred and never used before. Other whiskeys (especially scotch) can use barrels that previously held other spirits.

    Regardless, these held bourbon for a long time. The resulting beer may be awesome. It may not be. I know that 50/50 also got some really old barrels recently.
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  16. immobilisme

    immobilisme Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2005 Illinois

    Also, only an idiot brewery (see Nebraska) would use barrels that aren't freshly emptied.
  17. nvlps

    nvlps Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2013 Ohio

    So is there some 45 year bourbon that just doesn't exist on the market (yet)?
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  18. DooshBagalow

    DooshBagalow Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2012 Illinois

    And thus begins another thread where everyone's an expert on barrels.

    Tashbrew really should have a thread on here stickied at the top of each forum and upon registering for BA you are forced to read it, like at least three times, and then upon entering any thread regarding barrel-aged beers you're prompted on whether or not you need to re-read that thread again. Would save for a lot of overly repeated questions and back and forth half-informed responses.

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  19. ravot

    ravot Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2012 Illinois

    Rarely Rare
  20. danimalarkey

    danimalarkey Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Illinois

    The age statement on a bottle of whiskey refers to the youngest whiskey in that bottle. My bottle of WL Weller 12 year is a blend of bourbons of different ages (most likely) but the youngest bourbon is 12 years old. Aging whiskey isn't like baking a pie -- you don't necessarily put whiskey in a barrel and, precisely 12 years later, have an aged whiskey ready to bottle. Maybe it needs more time. Maybe you give it more time but it doesn't react like you planned and instead of letting it age longer, you blend it in within something younger. Only the distillery could say for certain. But, point being, just because a distillery has whiskey that's 45 years old, it doesn't mean that they will bottle it or sell it.
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  21. Lansman

    Lansman Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2011 Missouri

    They should change the title of the new batch to Bourbon County Uncommon.
  22. kodt

    kodt Pooh-Bah (2,010) Mar 6, 2013 Illinois
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    I'll hold out for Bourbon County Mythic Rare
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  23. mdomask

    mdomask Initiate (0) May 27, 2012 Illinois

    Thus truly making craft beer Pokemon cards for grown ups?

    Edit: kodt sneaks in with the Magic: The Gathering reference...
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  24. aasher

    aasher Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana

    BA should have a sticky note explaining Bourbon...

  25. aasher

    aasher Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana

    If this is $100 I won't be surprised.
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  26. jhillwastaken

    jhillwastaken Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2012 Illinois

    No bourbon is aged for 45 years. The reason is, as immobilize pointed out, by law bourbon has to use new, charred oak barrels. The new barrels would impart too much wood to the whiskey making it undrinkable. I'm sure some of the older distilleries have a barrel that has been aging bourbon for that long, just as a experimental thing, but I bet it tastes awful.

    Also, keep in mind that the date on the barrel doesn't exactly tell you how long the barrel held whiskey, on account of not knowing when the barrel was dumped. That 79 barrel could have been emptied for quite a while. I'm curious as to how the length of time between the barrel being emptied of whiskey and being filled with beer effects the final product, due to evaporation & the wood drying out.

    I'm also not sure the age of the bourbon has that much to do with the final beer that comes out of the barrels. I have no evidence to support this, but I bet if you took barrels that have held bourbon for at least, say, 8-10 years and put the same base beer into them and also barrels that have held bourbon for 23-25 years, you'd get almost the same end result.

    The thing that makes Rare different from regular BCBS is the length of time the BEER is in the barrels, not the whiskey. And yet I wait for the inevitable threads saying the first batch of Rare is far superior to the second, due to the Van Winkle barrels being superior to whatever bourbon came out of these barrels, likely Parker's Heritage or Elijah Craig.
  27. forrestbetts

    forrestbetts Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2007 Illinois

    ten char
  28. TravisMBinns

    TravisMBinns Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2011 Illinois

    Damn you IN-BEV!!!
    Oh wait...
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  29. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan

    Love it when people have "friends" at the brewery.
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  30. steebo777

    steebo777 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    I just like having friends in general. Brewery friends are a bonus.
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  31. Bay01

    Bay01 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 Illinois

    You, me, and everybody else on this site would wait in line for several hours to pay $100 for this.
  32. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

  33. aasher

    aasher Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana

    False. I have had enough Bourbon County to know that I don't NEED this.
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  34. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Gimme some beer aged in the 2nd Release Parkers, the 28 Year old BBN. Daaaamn son.
  35. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,010) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
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    Bourbon County Brand Black Gold Stout?
  36. davesway10

    davesway10 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2010 Iowa

    Rare 2.0 - The Legend of Bourbon County
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  37. mpayne5

    mpayne5 Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Indiana

    Rare 2: Bourbon Barrel-Aged Boogaloo
  38. patol8

    patol8 Initiate (0) Jul 6, 2010 Michigan

    Rare 2: Judgement Day. So many beer nerds will perish during this release.
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