A trading etiquette question....

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by evilcatfish, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Defender (606) May 11, 2012 Missouri
    Beer Trader

    This has surely been brought up before, but what does everybody consider reasonable when it comes to response time to your trading conversations? I'm still fairly new to non IP/local trades and want some opinions.

    Here are a couple situations that have happened to me recently:

    1. I think I have a trade all wrapped up with person A then they just go silent, no response to messages. Person B comes along seeing my ISO:FT post and is interested in what person A wanted, I let person B know person A has priority and he understands. After 4 days of no response from person A I seal a deal with person B and we both are happy. Well, a couple days later person A finally gets back to me and upon finding out I traded what he had wanted gets all snippy acting like we already had a deal in place and I screwed him. Wasn't 4 days without an answer enough to wait since I wasn't aware of anything that may have held him up? (funeral, sickness, etc)

    2. People just not getting back in general. I'll think I have a trade in place, or somebody asks me to let them know when I get something they are after and I just never hear from them again though they are active in the forums. Whenever I decide I'm not interested in a trade or something changed then I at least let the person know.

    I will say though that for the most part everybody has been very cool and generous with extras!
  2. tewaris

    tewaris Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Minnesota

    If you're not comfortable with someone's communication, avoid trading with them. Simple as that. Also, if they are active and not responding for 4 (or more) days, fuck it. Trade with Person B.
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  3. jaIsPoAn

    jaIsPoAn Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2012 New York

    Yup his loss not yours, I would have done the same thing
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  4. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,374) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    1. What the wise & urbane tewaris said.
    2. Always an annoyance, problem is, half the people are annoyed by people not getting back to them & the other half are those people & think it's no big deal. I'm with you, I think it's rude not to spend 4 seconds saying "No thanks" but others will plead that they are so, so, so, SO busy that they can't do something that time-consuming (while arguing endlessly about 2012 vs. 2013 HopSlam).
  5. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    IMO, you can never overcommunicate. I'd rather border on the side of blasting my trading partners with info vice leaving anything to question or uneasy feelings. Conversely, if I don't receive adequate communication, I'd send a "hey, I'm gonna go elsewhere if I don't hear from you by X date", then do just that if I hear crickets.
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  6. BigTomZ

    BigTomZ Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Virginia

    He went dark so that is not your fault. I would have done the same. Once you have a trade agreement, you've got to stay in communication. He could have told you he would be unreachable for a few days. If his logging in to BA is infrequent he could inform you of that up front also. As long as he has solid references that wouldn't be a deal breaker.
  7. vurt

    vurt Defender (609) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon

    If you're getting other offers while waiting to hear from Person A, it couldn't hurt to send a them a quick note: "I'm getting other offers. If I don't hear from you in (x) days, I'm going to end our trade and go with someone else." That shows good proactive communication on your part, and only takes a minute.
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  8. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2010 Illinois

    Re #1: You did nothing wrong. 4 days is plenty o' time if you're negotiating a trade.
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  9. tinypyramids

    tinypyramids Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2012 Illinois

    in my mind, a trade is not finalized until a summary message (you're sending x, i'm sending y) and addresses are exchanged (replace with meeting time/place for ip). imo, backing out at any time before a trade is finalized according to these definitions (and even after in some cases) is 100% fine and it happens.
  10. Smurf2055

    Smurf2055 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2011 Washington

    I've been dealing with a bit of this myself. Person says he has a bottle, asks if I want to set up a trade. I say I'm interested, and they don't reply, but see them shopping the bottle in the trade forum. It's frustrating, but what can you do. I always try to respond to all messages within a reasonable time frame. It would be cool if everyone did, and I understand sometimes life gets in the way, but there are other times that just make you go "hmmmm"
  11. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,089) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

  12. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Holidays just passed too - I went pretty dark all the up to this week.
  13. xnicknj

    xnicknj Initiate (0) May 25, 2009 Pennsylvania

    the main problem with #2 is when someone posts a particularly attractive or sought after FT thread. something like FT: Hill Farmstead ::insertalmostanythinghere:: usually result in an inbox explosion and it can be a little time consuming to send 30+ msgs saying "sorry, this is done." if i dont receive a response within a reasonable amount of time and the user is active, i assume they arent interested and move on.
  14. Davihaw

    Davihaw Aspirant (288) Jun 19, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I have another etiquette question as well:

    What is the etiquette on cancelling a pending trade? Scenario: Trade has been agreed upon by both parties for IP trade a few weeks down the road. Party A obtains a large quantity of the beer they were supposed to receive in the trade directly from the brewery ahead of trade. Is it ok for that person to then email party B and cancel the trade?

    I didn't have a problem with it but could see how this could be an issue. Curious what others thought.
  15. wingedeel

    wingedeel Zealot (504) Nov 17, 2005 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    That would be a penis relocation, AKA a DICK MOVE
  16. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,359) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Well if he already spent his money on the beer to be shipping he's screwed. I'd complete the trade it's the right thing to do.
  17. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    In this day and age of constantly being connected I can't understand how someone can go days without communicating when you are in the midst of negotiating a trade....

    That said I am a pretty patient person so I'd give someone two days tops before I moved on to the next offer.
  18. luisc123

    luisc123 Initiate (173) Oct 20, 2011 California

    This has happened with my last three or four trades. I had whole set of IPA's (Alpine, RR, KRBC) that I was set to trade and I ended up just drinking them because a potential trading partner didn't get back to me. If he tries to get back to me now, welp sorry bout it. I was supposed to have a second half of one trade sent to me and that person stopped responding as well so I drank the beers I was supposed to trade to him. Kind of annoying. A simple "No thanks, I don't wanna trade anymore" would suffice instead of going completely silent.
  19. Wowcoolman

    Wowcoolman Crusader (786) Sep 25, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    Just a side note for IP trades. Often one of the traders will be traveling and will have packed beers for an agreed upon trade. Once the beers have journeyed the traveling trader is very much committed and the local trader should not try to change things.
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