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Discussion in 'Europe' started by jesskidden, Oct 5, 2021.
From Bloomberg in the US:
Hmm. "Less exportable." This does not bode well for my favorite import.
I actually got a chuckle out of that 'less exportable' quote. My question is whether those bean counters ever really put any effort into exporting and selling those brands--especially in the US. They've done very little here in the US with the Spaten/Franziskaner/Lowenbrau brands.
The Spaten/Franziskaner brands are regular sellers at the bigger liquor stores here. I seldom have problem finding reasonably fresh product (i.e. 3-4 months old easily, sometimes fresher). I know I complained in another thread about old Oktoberfest, but they sold through the old stock and I'm now enjoying Ur-Märzen bottled in June. They seem to move quite lot of green bottled beer with no effort.
I would also have a hard time believing that they couldn't easily sell larger quantities of Spaten Original or Lowenbrau in canned formats. If Warsteiner and Bitburger can do it, I don't see why they couldn't. They could also further leverage being in Munich to further drive sales of Oktoberfest, and other traditional styles.
I'm sure it's just wishful thinking, but I too, would rather not see one of my favorites disappear.
Yeah, I thought that quote was kinda funny seeing as how in the US AB-InBev "imports" Beck's and St. Pauli Girl from their breweries in St. Louis and every other US AB facility, as noted (right) in the list of breweries on the TTB Label Approval.
Three years ago AB-INBEV tried to sell Hasseröder and Diebels Alt. They originally wanted 400m Euros, an investor group offered 200m Euros but that deal fell through.
AB got what they really wanted many years ago (Becks), and during the first few years they decided that Hasseröder was going to be their lower priced volume beer which killed the brand (IMO). Sad to see that they couldn't do more with Spaten and Franziskaner.
Apologies for being a bit of a pedant here, but I would argue that if AB InBev had had the will, they could have done a heck of a lot more to market and sell those beers--especially overseas. They've been seemingly treated as an afterthought, with little effort made to sell more product.
I don't think I saw it in the article, but I'm assuming the sale of the Munich brands includes the Munich brewery complex as well?
It also has me wondering how much the Oktoberfest actually adds to the 'Big Six's' bottom line. Or it just may not be enough to really help such a debt-saddled company as AB-InBev
Doesn't read like it.
I'd imagine if there is excess capacity in the German brewing industry (likely), it'd be easier to sell just the brands to brewing companies wanting to increase their brewery's efficiency but no desire to increase their other costs (buildings, labor, etc).
That's what InBev did in the US when they sold the Rolling Rock label to... gee, who was it again?
I agree completely. Like I said, Beck's was the Golden Child, the other brands were an afterthought. Just a guess but Beck's probably moved to a "core" brand with more focus and marketing push and the rest were just "nice to have".
To be accurate, they say they are "considering a sale" which is not the same as "these brands are being sold".
More of a trial balloon than a serious commitment. If they have a buyer lined up, at the price they want, this would be a different press release.
Talking about hundreds of millions of dollars casually. Horse trading. That is unfortunately the reality of big brewing.
Bloomburg is under the impression Stella Artois is from Belgium, and rest assured AB-InBev is in no rush to make the correction.
Spaten was an afterthought in order to brew more Beck's. Seriously, Spaten was brewing Beck's for AB-InBev to keep up with demand. Maybe now that they're brewing Beck's in the U.S. they don't need Spaten anymore?
Yeah, since the buyout/merger in 2008, they've also "explored" selling the Bass Ale and Rolling Rock labels (maybe others?) - no takers.
It could be a good thing if the new buyer respects the tradition of these breweries and I agree that an aggressive market pitch in the US and other markets could really propel these beers back to the forefront.
I would rather see them sold then wither under the Imbev umbrella.
Constellation could probably bite.
It's all speculation at this point, but I was reading elsewhere that new AB Inbev boss Michel Doukeris could be considering selling Beck's along with the other German brands. The reasoning? 60% of growth is through channels outside of the beer, including new canned cocktails, canned wine, energy drinks, and E-commerce platforms. After Brito consolidated the company, he might be trying to sell the whole kit and caboodle for (alleged price tag) 1 billion Euros and then continue diversifying, something Molson Coors and Constellation have been doing for a few years now.
Time will tell.
It might be easier to market an "imported brand name" like Stella (or Corona, Molson, etc. etc.) that tastes like a regular adjunct lager than to import an all-malt beer from Germany. If you offer altered German imports (as Miller did to Lowenbrau in the past), you will get bad reviews and loss of market share, at least from the fans of the original, and your advertising will have to overcome those negative issues. Probably better to take a brand name that you can put into a pretty package and manufacture in a lower cost environment.
I don't know how they're brewing it, but just bringing production of Beck's to the U.S. seems to be altering the brand.
Not sure how sales have been affected, but I'm also not sure how many people know the Beck's they're buying isn't imported.
Then again, I still stun people by telling them Blue Moon is brewed by Coors.