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Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by Snowcrash000, May 14, 2019.
As long as it tastes good, I don’t care if the company illegally manipulates the market to make me pay more
It has always confounded me how people will turn a blind eye to a company that has dubious business practices as long as the bcbs keeps flowing.
Just curious... how many entertainers, networks, publications, web sites, businesses, or corporations are on your personal boycott list?
AB InBev “controls around half of Belgium’s beer market”.
I did not know that; you learn something new every day.
Surprised it's that low.
Several. Especially when it comes to my fun money. Do you choose to support businesses that don't jive with your personal morals? Or is this all "relative" to you?
You present a false choice.
Now we are philosifizers.
I answered your question regardless of it pretense.
Interesting article. Due to differing taxation and other factors beer prices can differ quite a bit inbetween different European markets, and cross border importation by individuals is quite common (i realize that this was about commercial retail beer sales). The Norwegians buy cheaper beer in Sweden, the Swedes buy cheaper beer in Denmark and the Danes buy cheaper beer in Germany. The Finns buy cheaper beer in Estonia. It makes sense then that retailers would take advantage of cross border price differences at the wholesale level since it helps their margins, and that brewers like ABInbev would not be very pleased with this practise since it undermines their own margins.
Most breweries would prefer to not have to compete with lower priced foreign competition I imagine (the Norwegian brewers complain about cross border sales by individuals, the Swedish brewers complain about cross border sales by individuals, Finnish brewers complain about cross border sales individuals), and I imagine that none would like to compete with lower priced foreign competition produced by their own company.
Bud Stock is up for the day. Interesting
As the the "Cheap Beer" importers' diabolical "Council of Thirteen" collectively wring a gloved fist toward the infamous and equally nefarious ABInbev and belt out a well deserved (ala Skeletor) "Curses!! Foiled again, thwarted by the scourge ABInbev once again!"
St Louis is a bit to quaint for the heights these titans seek. They needed to stretch out. But I do well recall the double speak practiced and utilized by these guys as if they were lines in a script.....It was always very obvious and very easy to sell against.
Yes you did, along with your pretense.
I infer from your comment, that either you feel AB-Inbev's conduct in this case is no worse than that exemplified by many other entertainers, networks, businesses, etc., and/or that it's somewhat hypocritical to boycott one wrongdoer if you don't boycott all of them.
Assuming that's the point you're trying to make (and admittedly, it's difficult to be sure, given your rather cryptic comment), I could not disagree more with your point of view.
Like @SFARKnight I suspect, I'm well aware that there's plenty of bad shit going on in the world, and that there are a veritable plethora of other "corporate assholes" on the planet (other than ab). It would be nice if there was something I/we could do to express our dissatisfaction with all of their bad behavior, but of course that's not pratical or possible. Even so, that still isn't justification for just sitting on your hands and doing nothing (or so I would argue). So we do what we can. In this case, @SFACRKnight has chosen to "vote with his wallet" (so to speak), and no longer provide any financial support to a company that has a history of engaging in underhanded, unscrupulous, and at times illegal behavior. It's also a company that for years has been inimical to the craft beer movement.
Personally, I've long since stopped buying AB-Inbev products, and I continue to encourage passionate craft beer consumers to do the same. I've heard all the excuses and explanations ("why single AB out; plenty of other people or companies are doing just as bad stuff", "my boycotting AB isn't going to do them any harm; they won't even notice or care", "but what about all the innocent people AB employs; they could all lose their jobs if AB goes under"), but am not persuaded by any of them.
I/we can't save the world, and I/we can't eliminate all of the bad stuff perpetrated by various entertainers, websites, businesses, etc. However, I can decide that I'm personally not going to put up with all BS I've seen perpetrated by AB over the years, and not buy any more of their damn beer.
I encourage you to decide to do the same.
You people sure do read a lot into a simple question.
What confounds me more is people living in Belgium opting for imported beer from the Netherlands.
To each his own.
But Jupiler is an ABInBev brand brewed in Belgium - usually said to be the largest selling brand in Belgium.
So you agree your question was pretentious and set a precedent from which we should continue our discussion. Excellent. Do you feel that there is only two choices in this debate, either support InBev, or boycott everything that is morally corrupt? In this life I have chosen to be as upstanding as I can. Despite what Nietzsche and Sartre claim I feel there is inherent evil in the maltreatment of a human being, and I choose to avoid spending my money with companies that profit from this evil. It is impossible to keep this moral high ground in every facet of my life, but when it comes to something as unimportant as beer I do my best to be as diligent as possible. So, would you like to engage in this conversation, or would you prefer to simply interject your indignance and pout? In other words defend your position or butt out.
Not surprised nor am I disputing this fact.
Just surprised that Belgians taken as a whole, seem to under-appreciate the world class and classic beers that are produced in their own backyard.
The same could be said for those of us in the USA, no?
And most every other beer-drinking country on earth:
I would suggest that Belgian beer drinkers are not different from beer drinkers worldwide: most beer drinkers prefer light colored beers that are light in flavor and body. This is evident in the UK where the number one selling brand is Carling Lager. For the Dutch Heineken and Grolsh are the top selling beers. In the US where we have so many wonderful craft beer brands the top selling beer is Bud Light (followed by Miller Lite, Coors Light and Bud). And so on…
Yes, that is apparently the case.
In contrast, my experiences in Belgium is one of a country that viewed their local beer as a source of national pride, to the point of insisting on the right glassware, serving at the right temperture, displaying a wide variety of styles, long before similar recent trends took hold in the US.
Of course our views are often skewed by the circles we travel in and really can't be projected on to a national population.
But admittedly, I was surprised years ago, upon learning that my experience where not reflective of the country as a whole..
Reading in fundamental... I agree your response was pretentious.
Simple question with no hidden agenda. Is that too hard for pretentious people to understand?
If I can't carry a gun or against 2A I will not give them my business
All companies, and certainly large multinational conglomerates, seek advantage, often ignoring rules and pursuing profit by any means necessarily. That is why regulation, unfortunately, is necessary and important. That said, regulation pretty much screws the good, the bad, and the ugly. If you don't think so, consider how you view regulators in your own industry. And if you never deal with regulators, they are just a form of bureaucracy, so consider what going to the DMV is like. Regulation and bureaucracy are necessary evils. In the last analysis, I applaud the EU for holding ABIB to its rules. It doesn't mean I'd never drink another one of its products, but it does mean I'm happy to see it pay for its arrogance.
Grammar is also fundamental. So you concede your position is not one that is defendable?
Also, you surely jest that your question was not asked out of some sort of sarcasm...
Bureaucracy and regulations are not the same.
But dear lord, don't dare suggest that beer drinkers in Germany also predominantly favor fizzy light AAL-style beer, lest you invoke the wrath of the German beer drinkers who can't understand that their own personal anecdotes don't somehow invalidate reams of data.
Proof Canadians have slightly better taste than Americans.
Of course you are right! But in the hierarchy of "giving a pass" it falls far down the list from supporting companies that make poisons, destroy habitats, and annually kill millions of people. Once folks can forgive themselves for taking a trip on a jet plane that spits poison on the world like a giant device of death, or for heating their homes with oil, or putting gas in their cars, it isn't that hard to self forgive when it comes to buying beer from a big company that stifles competition in the industry.
Well, yeah, 'cause they got the "good stuff"...
Of course, since then AB in the US bumped up domestic Budweiser to the same 5% abv - but it was a real (if tiny) controversy in the early 80s when it was discovered by some that the Labatt-brewed Bud was higher in alcohol then in the US - "to suit Canadian tastes" - by an entire 0.15%!
(Although, "from a rice base" is a bit of an exaggeration - US brewed Bud was usually said be to 70% malt/30% rice around that time.)
It's not the Second Amendment I'm against, it's the people infatuated with and by firearms that concern me.
One difference in this context is that avoiding the fossil fuel behemoth requires a genuinely radical way of life, while avoiding the shittiest corporate actor in beerland requires you to suffer without goose island
Yeah normally you have to buy a gun to have one.
But are you in a well regulated militia?
Yes, we meet monthly with our pitchforks and torches.
Done with you. Go somewhere that appreciates pointlessness. You seem to think you're good at it.