Alchemist Drop

Discussion in 'Mountain' started by Kuester, Jun 13, 2020.

  1. Kuester

    Kuester Initiate (98) May 14, 2012 Colorado

    Looks like we are getting a limited amount of the former #1 US beer on this website and still #5, Heady Topper, as well as Focal Banger.

    https://www.porchdrinking.com/artic...is-coming-to-colorado-in-limited-distribution

    Never ever got into trading but Heady is one that makes me regret that, would have loved to try it back in the day. Will definitely be different now that I've had hundreds of NE IPA's but still can't wait personally.
     
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  2. wasatchback

    wasatchback Disciple (364) Jan 12, 2014 Bahamas
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    especially when you realize it doesn’t taste anything like a “NEIPA”
     
  3. Kuester

    Kuester Initiate (98) May 14, 2012 Colorado

    Luckily I'm an all IPA lover lol
     
  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I was just bitching about how when I trade we get drops of what i traded for. Now if i could only get some HF hops on our shelves
     
  5. travis224

    travis224 Initiate (191) Jul 24, 2010 Colorado
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    Wow. This almost seems too good to be true. What's the catch? And next week? Dang.
     
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  6. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I still really Heady Topper a lot. I never would have guessed in a million years we'd see it on CO shelves. Hopefully I'm able to grab a couple cans before it's gone.
    Focal Banger can die in a fire, though. It might look like Heady and the like, but it tastes like salty onions and ditch weed.
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    So gubna rebranded?
     
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  8. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Kind of like a super hazy blend of old school Alpine Duet and one of the slightly better versions of the Gubna. More weedy than oniony, but I don't like either flavor much.
    I bet a lot of the NEIPAs that people dislike and breweries get defensive over are based on Focal Banger.
     
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  9. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Poo-Bah (3,895) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    Will probably be on the shelf next to thr 'Loons :grin:
     
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'll look but I'm not holding my breath
     
  11. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    We did randomly get a (real) Cantillon drop a few weeks ago. 3F is now on a lot of shelves around town...although mainly the pricy and/or large bottles. People are discussing pilsners and Royal Oil seems to be well known all over the country now.
    Strange times, man, strange times.
     
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  12. eppCOS

    eppCOS Meyvn (1,370) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    Hey now, I feel personally attacked. :wink:
     
  13. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Poo-Bah (3,895) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    3F is at Applejack. Large and small bottles...and mongo-size
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    3F is everywhere it seems. The south side is loaded.
     
  15. clusterfolk

    clusterfolk Initiate (89) Jun 20, 2014 Colorado

    First alchemist drop happened yesterday... Mr B's said they sold out of 15 cases in an hour.
     
  16. Canada_Dan

    Canada_Dan Savant (906) Jun 14, 2013 Colorado

    Both these beers are malty AF compared to how I remember them. I dig it, and not sure there's another beer like these available in the Colorado market, or anywhere for that matter.

    Crazy how much the concept of what a NEIPA should taste like has changed in 5ish years. Maybe my taste buds have changed also or the beer has changed, but I honestly think it's just expectation vs. reality. I was expecting something like Juicy Bits from my mental archive, but got a mouth full of grain instead of juice (again in a good way...)

    Anybody else have this experience?
     
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  17. wasatchback

    wasatchback Disciple (364) Jan 12, 2014 Bahamas
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    Alchemist beers happen to be brewed in New England. That’s the only thing that resembles what most people think a NEIPA should be. They’re closer to something from Lagunitas or Stone than they are to anything from your favorite haze factory.
     
  18. Canada_Dan

    Canada_Dan Savant (906) Jun 14, 2013 Colorado

    That makes more sense. It's been so long since I last had them that I was definitely expecting/remembering a different beer.

    I see the similarities with Stone and definitely more West Coast than NE style, but I'm still thinking these are uniquely malty and feature a different flavor profile than your "typical" IPA from either coast.

    Either way, digging the drop and happy to revisit these classic brews. Cheers!
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My recollection of Heady is that it was ugly AF, had a fruity edge, peach esters, and some pine in there as well. Not the New England juice bombs of today.
     
  20. travis224

    travis224 Initiate (191) Jul 24, 2010 Colorado
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    Yeah, Heady is really more of a WC IPA with some slight haze to it, in my opinion. The super dialed-in blend of hops and malts and good water really makes it its own thing though. But if you gave it to me blind, I'd call it a WCIPA.

    I haven't lived in New England for a while, but I'm from there and visit often. My first memory of a real NEIPA was having a Trillium Congress St. or maybe Fort Point. That was the first beer I had where it looked like orange juice, and I remember there was some serious disagreement about whether this was acceptable or not in the beer community.

    I'm not sure who first brewed a hazy IPA, but if I had to put $ on it, it'd be Trillium. A lot of the original IPAs from New England that people think started the NEIPA craze: Alchemist and Lawson's would really be described as WC style these days, I think. I've never had any of Hill Farmstead's hoppy beers, so I can't comment on them.

    But I also remember that even before the haze craze there was a somewhat playful feud b/w WC and NE IPAs, but I can't really remember what the distinction was. I'm vaguely remembering something about WC IPAs having more tropical notes and NE IPAs having more pine or something, but maybe I'm wrong. Probably someone else here knows better than me.
     
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  21. traction

    traction Zealot (561) Dec 4, 2010 Georgia
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    Agreed. I have drank a lot of Heady and a lot of NEIPA's and while Heady might have helped inspire the NEIPA movement I refuse to call it an NEIPA; the same is true of Focal Banger.
     
  22. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    The whole "New England IPA" term started with Heady (and Lawson's + Maine), so I don't really see how it could lose that status. It's the others that changed and went in other directions. At the time it came out people swore up and down that Heady must have contained juice.
    It's kinda like how most "West Coast" IPA's (a la Green Flash, Stone, and SN) were copper and closer to 90 Minute than say...Palate Jack or Hoparillo. The world changed around them.
     
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  23. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would take your money on that bet. Aloine Nelson was hazy and juicy before anyone in the ne was doing that shit.
    On topic, thanks to all the unemployed people who bought up all the heady yesterday. Get a j9b.
     
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  24. bla211

    bla211 Initiate (119) Mar 17, 2015 New York

    Not sure if this is /s or not but a lot of people are working from home right now with increased flexibility. If this was /s then ignore me.
     
  25. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    No sarcasm. I just wanted one fucking can man. Dudes were walking away with cases according to some of the employees at the stops I made.
     
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  26. travis224

    travis224 Initiate (191) Jul 24, 2010 Colorado
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    Yeah, after I wrote that I realized I should have been more specific. I meant more like they were the first brewery to make hazy/juicy/NEIPAs their main thing, though I don't think they were called that back then. I could definitely be wrong about that, but I don't really consider Heady, Sip of Sunshine, and most of Maine to be NEIPAs as we think of them today. I have no doubt that homebrewers and various breweries brewed something close to a NEIPA over the years though.
     
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  27. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I think Heady was the beer to usher in the age of turbidity. I remember guys saying they wouldn’t even taste the beer after seeing all the crap that came out of the can with the beer. They also seemed to usher in hop bursting and large dry hopping. There are aspects from both coasts in heady, and I think that makes it so unique now as well.
     
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  28. travis224

    travis224 Initiate (191) Jul 24, 2010 Colorado
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    I got an extra can I could part with if you want to pick it up in the South Broadway area. Also, I might check with Wallaby's in Denver. They posted getting some in yesterday and it currently has a single like on Facebook. When I got there more than an hour later, there was plenty left. If anyone still had some, I think it would be them.
     
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  29. Kuester

    Kuester Initiate (98) May 14, 2012 Colorado

    Also I think the SE part of town gets their CSA truck today
     
  30. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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  31. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Poo-Bah (3,855) Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
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    I got a four pack of each, happy to sell you a can of each at cost or just give em to ya.
     
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  32. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Nabbed a 4 pack in castle rock. Thanks to all the offers guys. Its been years since I have been this stoked for a drop.
     
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  33. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I got a 4-pack of Heady at Davidson's yesterday. It tastes more or less how I remember (I've had it maybe 5-6 times), although I've never had one this young before. Pretty crazy that they pulled that off.
    It doesn't taste as sweet and purely fruity as Juicy Bits or (especially) Lupulin Burst, but the bitterness and hop character is definitely way different from what was coming out of San Diego and Portland in the mid to late 00's. I've always like the slight toasty note about it.
    It's amusing to look through all of the FB posts where people seem to either love it or think it's the most overrated thing in the universe. I think you could literally change the name of the beer and they'd be word-for-word the same as comments about Westvleteren, Pliny the Younger, or whatever the latest candy/coffee stout is.
     
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  34. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    And it's better than I remembered.
     
  35. travis224

    travis224 Initiate (191) Jul 24, 2010 Colorado
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    Definitely lives up to the hype, IMO. One of the most perfect hoppy beers out there.
     
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  36. WillemHC

    WillemHC Initiate (142) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    I think the other thing they (Alchemist) did earlier on than most breweries was make an IPA with not California ale yeast or some similar strain. In other words they were using English strains earlier on when all of the IPAs (especially WC IPAs) were using less expressive yeast. So I think they were innovative in the yeast and emphasis on dry hop with less bittering, which makes a more fruity aromatic beer like what we are accustomed to with the east coast style. Then it got taken to a new level by breweries like Trillium and Treehouse.

    Also for the record. I love Heady Topper so much. I think if you get past the notion that it is going to be a NE IPA and also accept that this doesn't mean it's a WC IPA, it allows you to appreciate it kind of as it's own thing. And it is a lovely experience every time for me. Grassy, citrusy, a little bit bitter. So good.
     
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  37. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Lagunitas used English ale strains as well. Fermentation temps can be manipulated to allow ester production, but I do agree Heady ushered yeast esters into the IPA game for certain.
     
  38. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,681) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I had an interesting revelation yesterday. I actually think Heady tastes a lot like an imperial/double version of Boulder's Hazed and Infused. They both have that same dry hop toasty flavor combo, only Heady is (obviously) way kicked up. I'm oversimplifying, but it hits the same flavor points for me.

    Anyone have any insight whether we'll be getting more or does "limited distribution" really mean this was a one-time thing? Focal can still die in a fire, but I can see myself buying more Heady if it's there to be had.
     
  39. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,451) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would imagine as things go back to normal and breweries open up we will be seeing things return to the way they were. I haven't seen any outer range drops in the last couple weeks. I've really enjoyed going in to Lukas or Davidsons and grabbing some Cerebral and Outer range but I suspect it's coming to an end.
     
  40. Schmittymack

    Schmittymack Zealot (541) Sep 3, 2008 Colorado
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    Heady is good and for two or three years, it was quite easy for me to trade/buy it from an East Coaster as we headed for Dark Lord Day. Haven't traded for/bought it now for about four years. Kinda like PtE: definitely a good to great beer, but too much damn work for this old man to seek it out anymore. I can find great IPAs/DIPAs with no work (Myrcenary, Juicy Banger, Bout Damn Time, Odd 13's offerings, etc, etc). If I stumble across PtE, yeah, I get a bottle or two but don't seek it out anymore. The past two years I have looked for/gotten PtY when it's hit, however. It's great that at least one of the tappings of that has been on my days off!