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Any ideas on how to stop lame boxes from showing up? Lame BIF box list?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by readbaron, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    I absolutely have. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to hear me out and also giving me constructive feedback.
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  2. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Jul 4, 2008

    Yes, correct, and this has happened in the past.
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  3. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    It actually doesn't happen all that often, as traditionally BIFs with any kind of challenging requirements were picky about who they allowed in. I have noticed lately though that more BIFs are accepting anyone, so I can see it happening more...

    Generally what happens is a no-send and it's treated more or less the same as what happens with a Bad Trader. The person is already running away in the distance and there is no recourse other than going on the Bad Trader list and the community pitching in.
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  4. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

  5. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    The moderator and I have been in communication regarding this and I am in the process of gathering items to send him.
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  6. Pelican5

    Pelican5 Feb 4, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    Got to give you a few points for sacking up and trying to make things right, most people would have ran the other way.
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  7. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    I appreciate that. It really hurt to know that my name is being perceived in a bad way. A reputation is all a man has. I want my targets to not regret having me as a sender.
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  8. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    I think it's step one to come in here and face the fire... but I don't think it was very honest and or satisfactory... I hate to be the guy that keeps this going but I have to say...

    1. you enter BIF's with minimum requirements... you don't meet them, but you do know you'll get them in return
    2. you have been called out in those BIF's but you claim you had no idea and somehow you want to shift blame on BA's for not letting you know? other BA's (even some not in those BIF's) saw it and said something.
    3. hell, a good BA has even stepped up and sent a box to make up for yours
    4. we all spend our money on beer. If you can't afford to spend your hard earned money on a good box, why are you even joining MULTIPLE BIF's? Don't make it sound like we're some snobs and you're "sorry you don't have all those beers"
    5. you just got called out for having good beers that are up for trade.

    look, I hope you make good with those that you have shorted... I hope you make good with any BA that has felt the need to step up for your shortcomings... It's unfortunate that you didn't do it in the threads you got called out for it and are now playing the innocent guy in here... I really hope before you even think of joining other BIF's or making any trades for your own beer, you do the right thing and make up for what you know you've done
  9. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    Dude you can take my replies to this thread anyway you want. I am in no way playing innocent guy here. I am not shifting blame to anybody. I was simply stating my case. If you dont think I was sincere there is nothing I can do to change that because I dont know you. All I can do is correct where I fell short.
  10. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    well I hope you do correct it before you decide to join any more BIF's or make any more trades... apparently there's been more than one BA who's had to step up for your shortcomings...

    you stated your case... I stated the flaws in your case. It took getting booted from one BIF and demoted from captain in another... nothing personal but I feel for not only the BA's who you've done wrong, but those great BA's who have stepped up in your place
  11. dblab33

    dblab33 Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Being on the recieving end of one of these boxes, I just wanted to say a quick something in response.

    It was my very first BIF. I wasn't expecting to be floored. To be honest, I wasn't entirely sure what to expect as far as receiving goes... I was just looking to put together an amazing box for my target. I was expecting at least the minimums to be met though. With my lack of experience, I was not sure of the right way to approach the situation without somehow coming off as an ungrateful asshole. I did express disappointment in the hauls thread and to the BIF organizer as well who then contacted you.

    It was pretty clear that there were some issues with the box and they were brought to your attention. I was told you were very upset about the situation. I am not the kind of person to directly confront people in sticky situations for fear of their reaction, so I did not reach out to you directly. For that, I apologize. Looking back I probably should have done so. You did not say anything to me directly, but I had friends of yours apologizing to me on your behalf and expressing concern regarding the box as well. It was suggested in the thread that you attempt to make it right and I don't feel like it's my place to contact you and try to get you to do something to rectify the situation. I never heard from you.

    I did not publicly bash you or anything of that nature. I stated that most of my disappointment came from the fact that I put a lot of work into what I sent out and didn't even recieve the main requirement of the BIF - a movie. I was told that you'd at least address the laundry list of issues and never heard a word from you. That was in May.

    I wasn't expecting to recieve the world or top 100 beers in this BIF, I was just expecting to feel like there was a lot of effort put in to what landed on my porch. I got over my butthurt regarding the situation quite a while ago and am still active in BIFs and still send out killer boxes in trades, etc. I have been floored by some of the boxes sent to me by very generous BAs. I sincerely hope you take the advice of others in this thread to heart and that you are the stand up guy that you (and some of your friends) have said you are. I promise anything you give in this crazy beer community, you'll get back tenfold.
  12. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Nov 23, 2010 Illinois

    A+. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter (or trade with you once I get ah job).
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  13. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    anytime... and thank you
  14. LiquidCourage

    LiquidCourage Nov 1, 2012 Rhode Island
    Beer Trader

    What does BIF stand for? Beer it forward?
  15. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    There is a good John Wooden saying, "the true test of a man's character is what he does when no one is watching."
  16. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Another good quote, "Don't judge a man by his mistakes, judge him by what he does to correct them."

    Maybe he's a bad guy, and maybe he's not. But he's here to face the fire, he sounds contrite, and says he's going to make good. The majority of people in this situation just run away, so on that alone he deserves a chance IMO.
  17. Pelican5

    Pelican5 Feb 4, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    I think (hope) he might be on his way to CCB stopping at banks and box stores along the way.
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  18. match1112

    match1112 Mar 2, 2011 Illinois

    Another saying that I think fits this situation.

    "The true measure of a man is his ability to accept responsibility."
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  19. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    I guess better late than never... just would have been more respectable when he got called on it in those BIF's and not after he finally got booted from one and demoted from another
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  20. match1112

    match1112 Mar 2, 2011 Illinois

    This is true. From what I remember reading in those linked threads, he seemed to disappear from them all together after being called out in them.
  21. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    and we know there was supposed back scene communications from other BA's speaking for him... it took his beer trading/BIF supply being threatened for some response and supposed action... after a very flawed "case" on his part
  22. SirWilliam

    SirWilliam Apr 9, 2012 California

    Brendan bm'd me about this as I sent him a bottle of Supplication that he already had. Seems to me he is very much attempting to right a wrong and is concerned about his trading reputation on BA so a cheers to that.
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  23. match1112

    match1112 Mar 2, 2011 Illinois

    beer and snatch, two of lifes great motivators!
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  24. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    I just want to fill you in on the timeline about the two bif's in question. The movie one was back in May. I biffed that one and handled it incorrectly. The sour one was like two weeks ago and I am currently, as stated before, waiting to get the bottles I need to right my wrong. As far as being booted, I found out about that through this thread a few hours ago. I did not know that I was booted. I have not received any notice or email regarding that. And with the demotion in our gang bang...just found out about that today as well at the same time that I was made aware of this thread. So it isnt like I have been ducking and hiding out in the shadows or anything. I just wanted to clarify what is going on here.
  25. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    you just stated before that you didn't know about poor boxes in any BIF's... so what's the story? now you did know about the movie and are fessing up to it and the sour one you are currently addressing?

    look man... it does appear as you've ducked everything... leaving those threads and not looking back after being called on bad boxes... your clarifications and excuses have all been flawed and keep getting worse
  26. cfh64

    cfh64 Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Beer Trader

    How about this? He f'ed up, he admitted he f'ed up whether it was after being called out or not, and he is currently attempting to right his wrongs. There's nothing more he can do at this point. Again, I know some people here are divided but I give him the benefit of the doubt. Brendan, I hope to see your name pop up in an awesome trader thread title so everyone will put this to rest.
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  27. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    I hope he does... just don't care for the bad timing and worse responses... again, I hope he does... I think for the time being we have the right to be skeptical and weary of a BIFer with a bad record
  28. cfh64

    cfh64 Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Beer Trader

    Absolutely you have that right and I don't blame you. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on this but the only thing he can do at this point is right his wrongs which he is attempting. As far as what we can do...sit back and watch what happens. I think he'll be alright from now on, I hope I'm not wrong :)
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  29. oteixeira

    oteixeira Aug 20, 2012 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    I for one will enter any future BIFs on the condition that he is not my sender. If that is unreasonable I am sure the organizer will let be bow out.
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  30. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    time will tell...you'd be surprised at how many people make public statements about sending a box or doing something for someone and never follow through. i know of LIFs never completed and plenty of "you got screwed, i'm sending you a box" from many a reputable BA that turned out to be no more than just politicking. you'd be shocked at the names, but it happens.
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  31. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    just saying that talk is just talk. pictures or it didn't happen. not at you, not at this thread...but it is one thing to talk, it is another thing entirely to do. not everyone who talks, does.
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  32. CruisaC

    CruisaC Sep 3, 2010 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    I may be over simplifying here, but really the spirit of a BIF should be to send out a box you would be happy to receive. If you do your research and try to hit wants, favorite styles, and beers not distributed to your target, you will send a successful box almost every time. No, BIFs should not be an attempt to gain whales.

    I will say that the trend of some of the BIFs in question was that of sending mediocre boxes, without much attempt to fufill the basic spirit of a BIF. I have my suspicions on the genuineness of some of the claims of ignorance, but I applaud the decision to enter into the conversation instead of hiding. Time will tell if all the commotion made a difference.
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  33. cavedave

    cavedave Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    brendan4532 I hope you make good on all you say. When you do I will take you off the BART list on my profile page.
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  34. adamdd

    adamdd May 9, 2011 Michigan

    If you participate in a BIF and follow the "Haul" thread, don't you want to see the box that you sent out received with excitement? In the two BIFs that I have participated in, this is as much fun as actually receiving a box. If your box meets the absolute minimum, and is blown out of the water by all the other boxes, wouldn't you feel a little bit of regret? When other BIF participants and even his friends have to make up for lackluster boxes (more than once), there is a problem. Someone shouldn't need to be called out publicly in a BIF thread or a thread like this to be able to recognize that their boxes were subpar by comparison.
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  35. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Nov 23, 2010 Illinois

    First I've seen of this fella and I love it. I'll be checking back weekly for updates.
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  36. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    To be honest this thread scared the crap out of me, enough to where I sent a second supplemental box in a BIF (my first) I am currently entered in (even though I would have been happy to get the box I sent, but I am easily pleased). I don't see how you cannot know the people you sent boxes to are disappointed, I know when I send someone a box in a trade I am glued to their postings until I see it received and opened and ensure a positive reaction so I can only assume the same is for BIFs.

    That said, the guy has come clean and admitted he screwed up, no reason not to give him a chance to right his wrongs. But I cannot blame people for not being excited about him being their sender. I hope after he sends out some good boxes his reputation can be restored so he doesn't have to wear this scarlet letter forever.
  37. NJOssie

    NJOssie Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    funny about being scared by this thread Hanzo... I hear you. Honestly, my first trade nobody told me about extras... subsequently I traded with a noob after I had a handful of trades under my belt and I slammed her with extras...

    my first BIF was group BIF... we more than met minimum requirements... but the box we received was so awesome... some might say it was on par with ours but I was so happy with that box. The next BIF I happened to be given a target that part of the team that killed my team... I did my best to try to repay that and then some...

    it's beer karma... if you never feel like you gave more than you got, you're doing it wrong
  38. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'm kind of worried that this thread might have that effect on people, because BIFs are supposed to be fun - not stressful. The vast majority of BIF boxes are great. As long as you put some thought in and exceed the bare minimum, you've done just fine. Most people do that, and I'm sure you did great with your original box. If you sent a nice new local 4.0 rated bottle and your target is upset because he didn't get a 4.1 popular limited release instead, then that is your target's issue to deal with.

    Nobody besides Fedex wins if we turn every BIF into a massive whale war.
  39. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Jul 4, 2008

    Let's keep it PG, please.
  40. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    I think this is the wrong mentality regarding BIFs, point blank. The point is you don't get to choose your sender. As MizzouGuy stated earlier, Brendan did send a solid box in the BA Goodness BIF, and now that he's seen that his typical mentality with BIF boxes isn't cutting it, he'll be upping his game going forward.

    Straight up, I'd want Brendan to be sending to me in his next BIF. Likely going to be above and beyond, if my expectation serves me right.

    If you want to know who's sending to you, do a locals for locals mystery box with a reputable trader. If you want to know what you're getting, http://beeradvocate.com/community/forums/iso-ft.25/
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