Any ideas on how to stop lame boxes from showing up? Lame BIF box list?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by readbaron, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Johnnyramirez

    Johnnyramirez Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 California

    I just completed my 2nd trade and I sent the agreed upon items and 3 extras, highly rated extras, but still just 3 of them. This thread now has me worried that it was a bit on the low end. I hope dudes happy, and I sent out a box I'd be happy to receive, that said, I'm still worried that it might be seen on the lower end of things by most
  2. oteixeira

    oteixeira Initiate (175) Aug 20, 2012 North Carolina
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    Well, to each his own. I just don't want to get a box that doesn't even meet requirements. As has been pointed out quite a few times, he never really said or did a thing until he was called out on the carpet here and kicked out of a BIF. He also proves he can get good beer with his ISO/FT thread. I just wouldn't want to deal with him, and if a BIF has 20 or more people, (the one I am in now had 40+) then I am not trying to pick who is sending to me, I just want to make it clear that my sender shouldn't be someone I would never trade with person to person.
  3. StarRaptor

    StarRaptor Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2010 California

    I agree with a lot of what's been said but there is also nothing worse than opening a lack luster box especially in a traditional BIF where you then send to someone else.
  4. Ungertaker

    Ungertaker Devotee (448) Apr 30, 2010 Minnesota
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    I think that a sender who ships a box that doesn't meet the requirement should be given the chance to make it up. If he/she doesn't do so, then a list should be started and they should be added. If the box is just crap, that is a chance you take when you get in a bif.
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  5. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    Understood, but again, not the point of BIFs. If you want to receive a box from someone you desire a box from, or a trading partner, or somebody that you know would "hook you up," then just trade with them. Otherwise, don't join BIFs, because the point is to not have a say in who sends to you.

    If everybody picks who they do/do not want to have sending to them, then what is the point of the organizer? I'm not saying you're wrong to not wish to deal with Brendan, but just having the "I want a better box than that one he sent" mentality is what is causing this blow up in the first place.

    You're right to have an opinion, and it's not necessarily a wrong one, but it's just a POV that detracts from the overall spirit of BIFs, IMO.

    Also, this:

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  6. oteixeira

    oteixeira Initiate (175) Aug 20, 2012 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Good_Trader, again to each his own. I never said a thing about a box that was underwhelming, I said that the box didn't meet requirements. Anywho, it's all good, have a great holiday.
  7. StarRaptor

    StarRaptor Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2010 California

    Sucks but true and also the reason I'm done with them.

    I'm fine with hitting a guys top wants and blowing them away when I get a solid box back... but when I send limited release or brewery only beers and get noting but shelf beers half of which are distributed to my state (some from a state north or me) I'm a little let down
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  8. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2010 New Jersey

    Just in defense of OTex, he has been one of the more active and positive people in our Secret Santa BIF. That's his first BIF and if you flip through some of his other posts, he has nothing but the right attitude about BIFs in general.
  9. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    Fair enough, and I'm not trying to say he's a bad dude or anything like that. Just debating his phrasing regarding his desire to pick and choose his senders in a BIF, as that's just not how they work.
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  10. readbaron

    readbaron Initiate (0) May 12, 2010 Illinois
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    I'm sure that anybody who is even thinking about sending a second box has nothing to worry about. I'm sorry to hear that the thread caused you to do that. BIFs should definitely be fun, and unless its otherwise specified, whales/limited releases are by no means required.

    The box that bothered me (and no, it wasn't from you stupac2 - but I think you knew that :p) came from a BIFer that usually sends out really nice boxes (both before and after the BIF we were in together). In that BIF he recieved a really awesome box - then waited a while before sending out an underwhelming box, late. It seemed like he was using the BIF as a cellar cleaning opportunity. It was the lack of thought and effort more than the beers in the box that bothered me, as it certainly met the BIF criteria and there were a couple beers in there that I wanted to drink.

    Another friend of mine had a similar experience recently. A seasoned trader who clearly has access to a lot of great beer sent out a box late, barely clearing the minimum requirements and hitting zero of my friend's wants. He felt much like I did - dissapointed that somebody would join a BIF then put zero effort into the box he sent out.

    People say sending out a great box is as much fun as recieving one - and there is some truth to it - but when you do spend a lot of effort to slaughter someone's wants and then get something with minimal effort in return, it's a slap to the nuts.

    Neither of us mentioned our dissapointment to the respective senders because they clearly met the requirements. I wondered if that was the right thing to do - if Ungertaker's "if the box is just crap, that is a chance you take when you get in a bif" statement was something that the community agreed with or not.

    I definitely disagree with the "if the box is just crap, that is a chance you take when you get in a bif" mentality, which is why I don't do many of them, and when I do join I try to pick ones that do specify 37 pieces of flair to minimize the chance of a nut slap.

    I don't want to come across as a negative nancy - my BIF experiences overall have been hugely positive. I've had some very generous people send to me (and have tried to reciprocate that generosity), and have found a regular trading partner because of one of the BIFs I was in.

    I started this thread to see if there was communal interest in doing something to try to decrease the number of mediocre boxes. It sounds like there is interest in doing something when people don't meet the requirements (which definitely makes sense to me), but violations of "the spirit of the BIF" are fair game. Correct?
  11. NJOssie

    NJOssie Initiate (104) Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    yeah, I think it's more along the lines of raising awareness in BIF's that those with bad track records should be omitted completely.

    I'm not sure how many other constant offenders there are and perhaps Brendan fixes his tendencies going forward... so hopefully it's not an issue at the start of every NBO
  12. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2010 New Jersey

    Seems like that's more your phrasing, he just said he wouldn't want Brendan sending to him. Not really picking and choosing as much as excluding. ;)
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  13. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    Maybe I'm looking too much into it, I've just never seen a participant post in an NBO "I'll join, only if you assign me someone other than that guy"

    Just my $0.02
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  14. NJOssie

    NJOssie Initiate (104) Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    has there been another case of repeat offenders like this though?
  15. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2010 New Jersey

    I've never seen that either, but I wouldn't allow someone in a BIF I was hosting if they failed to meet requirements in others so this wouldn't come up (not that I host BIFs anyway).

    No worries either way, just a little friendly banter because I'm bored at work.
  16. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    You're correct in stating that it's the organizers responsibility to vet all participants, but in this specific case, he joined all at once, and was already involved before boxes started dropping.

    mikesgroove. That was handled.... interestingly.
  17. NJOssie

    NJOssie Initiate (104) Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    I'll ask for details later... haha
  18. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    Fair enough, and not trying to undermine your character here or anything. Cheers to you, you seem like a super standup guy, and one whose heart is in the right place.

    Happy Holidays.

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  19. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Probably not the place to rehash that one, but it was a very different scenario. He had a long history of sending over the top boxes. Until he didn't...
  20. Good_Trader

    Good_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Viet Nam

    Totally true, VERY different situation, but someone I'd expect to be included on the proverbial "Bad BIF'er list", if ever one was to be created.

    And not trying to dredge up old butthurts, just providing past examples. There are others, just look at the hauls from just about any sports-betting -IFs. Almost always one of the crowd totally bails on sending out their ends. Happens with LIFs a lot too.
  21. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I have evidence that this is false
  22. NJOssie

    NJOssie Initiate (104) Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    hey! what's that supposed to mean? dislike!
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  23. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
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    ;) I bet gaktsoris would be so happy the shit talking has slipped into other threads. Its only a matter of time before this becomes
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  24. notjustgc

    notjustgc Initiate (154) Nov 15, 2008 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    You should be agonizing over the selection process for every BIF box you send. Get the seekabrew list for your target's state. Read your target's wants a dozen times. Read the BIF rules two dozen times. Print all three out and bring them to the bottle shop and/or cellar to make your selections wisely and carefully. For Christ's sake, check bottling and sell-by dates on IPAs. You need to be absolutely sure that each and every bottle will put a smile on your target's face.

    In music/movie/etc. BIFs, you should be watching and listening to tons of material before making your selections. Nothing feels better than absolutely blowing your target's mind with something obscure that totally nails their tastes.

    If this doesn't sound like your process, you're probably doing it wrong, and I hope you never send to me.

    ...and with all of this having been said, I'm pretty much done with BIFs anyway.
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  25. wingedeel

    wingedeel Zealot (504) Nov 17, 2005 Indiana
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    I was going to join a BIF, but you just cant get movies, or unused Koozies in Indiana. Sorry, but some of you are really gullible.
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  26. tofuspeedstar

    tofuspeedstar Initiate (185) Jul 12, 2012 Texas
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    As the recipient of said 2nd trade, and knowing what's inside the box.

    You're fine. :)
  27. oteixeira

    oteixeira Initiate (175) Aug 20, 2012 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Interested to see what happens now, brendan4532 is in our Secret Santa BIF, he got a box last Friday, and hasn't posted a peep since in that thread. Today the organizer is asking who hasn't shipped yet, since the rules said the box had to be there by the 22, looks like someone did not meet the requirements....again. More reason to blacklist this guy.
  28. NJOssie

    NJOssie Initiate (104) Feb 28, 2012 New Jersey

    While I'm all for blacklisting him until he's corrected all his past wrongs, I don't think we should jump the gun and say he messed that one up too.. he's got 2 days for his box to land.
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  29. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Let's at least keep the torches unlit and the pitchforks on the ground until Saturday. 2 days is plenty of time to ship to half the country, and for all we know the box is already well in transit. Given this thread, I'd also be surprised if Cuzco hasn't been in contact with him.
  30. Avalon68

    Avalon68 Initiate (178) Jul 1, 2008 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    I don't participate in many BiFs, but always enjoyed them. Hate to see someone get hit with a bad/underwhelming box. Hopefully it will be made up for in some way.
  31. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Poo-Bah (1,605) Jan 31, 2005 California
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    Mordor, You CRAZY!!!:p
  32. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    If he misses the Christmas BIF deadline I take back what I have said in this thread and offer my services in the mob.
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  33. Pelican5

    Pelican5 Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 California
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    And he got a bomb of a box in the Secret Santa...
  34. stupac2

    stupac2 Disciple (387) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I think that depends on how you define bomb. I could've easily sent that box, those all are/were shelf beers in CA (except the BCBS).

    Don't get me wrong, it's a fine box that I think anyone on the east coast would be happy to get, but it's also not like "OMG BEST BOX EVAR". I think it would be pretty easy for Brandon's box to meet/surpass that one. I suppose everyone on BA will be watching...
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  35. Pelican5

    Pelican5 Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 California
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    Yep, thats why I didnt say "OMG BEST BOX EVER". Its a CA bomb. Solid selection of west coast beer and a great BIF box, I think anyone would be stoked to receive. Does a Secret Santa box need whales now to be considered a bomb... I think not.

    Pretty easy for Brandon's box to meet/surpass... lol
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  36. stupac2

    stupac2 Disciple (387) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Why is that lol? A dozen good Cigar City/Terrapin/etc beers to someone who hasn't had any, along with the requisite swag, would be a pretty much equivalent box. Throw in something special like Leon or Hunahpu's (again if the recipient hasn't had them) and you've surpassed it. This guy is perfectly capable of sending something better than he received, we'll see if he does.
  37. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    The next bif should require you to mail some pre-modern weapon like a chairleg with nails sticking out. Something like the "Aggressively Passive-Aggressive Bif"
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  38. brendan4532

    brendan4532 Initiate (126) Aug 11, 2011 Florida
    Beer Trader

    Dont worry everybody...I have already shipped out.
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  39. tewaris

    tewaris Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Minnesota

    Thought we're all over 21 here, right? RIGHT?
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  40. oteixeira

    oteixeira Initiate (175) Aug 20, 2012 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    No disrespect bro, but say something in the thread. Not sure if you have been following it, but half the fun is telling people your boxes shipped, what direction they are going, when they are gonna land, why they need to re-enforce the porch, and to lift with their legs, or a fork lift.
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