Anyone else disappointed by this year's backwoods bastard?

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by jegross2, Nov 10, 2012.

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  1. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,210) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    Or Founders Breakfast Stout, for that matter? Found this year's KBS batch to be lesser than 2010 and 2011 too -- particularly with a little bit of age of it now. I feel like it's much more acidic than normal.

    Curious if anyone thinks their expansion has anything to do with it.
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  2. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Backwoods tastes the same as it always has. Anyone who believes otherwise probably has a bad memory or thinks every beer tastes different every year.

    I have not had FBS after the first batch this year, which I have heard was the first batch on the new system. I did notice a slight lack of base malt, but I am not ready to start saying something is up without drinking more.

    I think people are overreacting because unfortunately that is what beer geeks do best. Beer geeks know just enough to be dangerous but unfortunately they rarely seek out all required information to make an informed decisions.

    Before we blame anything on the expansion lets be real. The new system went in this summer. This would not have had any impact on KBS or BB. New systems bring new challenges, if they have had any struggles they deserve the benefit of the doubt, they will dial it in.
  3. denimdemon

    denimdemon Disciple (365) Mar 8, 2009 Indiana
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    I actually find this year's Backwoods a little better out of the gate than last year's, but would say the KBS this year had a little less barrel character to it than I remembered. Haven't really found FBS to have changed much (if any). Diff'rent Strokes. Still all great beers, especially at their respective prices.
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  4. emyers

    emyers Devotee (484) Jan 11, 2009 Illinois

    No. All 3 are just as good as I remember them.
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  5. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    Same as it ever was...... Same as it ever was......
  6. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (419) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    No..It was great..Just as the others were..
  7. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Nope, FBS was even better than I remembered it. The coffee was much more pronounce for me which has now changed my mind to that its on par with Wake n Bake instead of just below it. It does still lose the coffee flavor quicker though.
  8. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Agreed with all posters above, all are just as good as they were in the past. Your taste buds and pallat simply changes more than you think.
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  9. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,463) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    OK, I'll agree with the OP.

    I've had a ton of the Bastard the last couple of years. Now, I've only had two bottles this year, so perhaps I had bad luck, but the Bastard I had was thinner & had less bourbon in it than previous years. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt (since I bought a few four packs) & keep drinking it (because I'm a martyr!), but I hope that's not what's in store for the rest of them. Certainly not bad, just not a Top Ten beer as in year's past.

    And for the record, my "memory" is just fine. Not only that, but I do think most brewers are remarkably consistent in maintaining the taste of seasonal product year over year, but there are also brewers that - constantly or upon occasion - tweak recipes.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that's the case here one bit. But to dismiss year-over-year variations across the board in one sweeping verbal tic is going over to the other extreme of the issue. Beers change.
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  10. vic21234

    vic21234 Devotee (417) Jan 25, 2009 Illinois
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    Tasted great as always for me.
  11. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan
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  12. Kayn169

    Kayn169 Aspirant (236) Jan 9, 2011 Illinois
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    I have to agree as well. I have had 3 bottles, on Tap twice, so I don't think it is really a variation issue. I found it a little lacking on the barrel. Not as hot out the gate, and def less oak and vanilla from the barrel. Still and outstanding beer though, and it's scary how easy it goes down
  13. makdeco

    makdeco Initiate (135) Jan 31, 2007 Illinois
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    clearly you like to whine a lot JEG :slight_smile:
  14. szmnnl99

    szmnnl99 Defender (689) Apr 3, 2006 Michigan
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    FBS is definitely thinner this year (unless aging adds mouthfeel and coffee flavor). I didn't notice any KBS or Backoods differences
  15. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    No, it's the same as last years. I still have last year's bottles and it's the same. any differences are in people's heads
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  16. Kayn169

    Kayn169 Aspirant (236) Jan 9, 2011 Illinois
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    So your comparing a year old BWB against a fresh one, and because they taste the same now, that means they both taste the same fresh? Not saying you are wrong, but the line of reasoning is flawed. I also have some from last year, and do agree they taste pretty similar now, as the year old one has mellowed.
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  17. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,463) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    So a year-old bourbon barrel scotch ale taste the same as a fresh one?

    I think you just debunked your own argument! :grinning:
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  18. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,210) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    It's not that these latest batches, whatever the reason, have been "bad" -- just not up to par. I found BB to be thinner this year, the KBS to be more acidic and less balanced than either 2010 or 2011. The 2006 KBS we opened in August was much better than the 2012 was less than 6 months after release IMO
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  19. stooge

    stooge Aspirant (259) Feb 22, 2012 Michigan
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    No problems here with BWB or FBS. No significant noticeable difference from last year for either of these as far as I can tell. Bottoms up!
  20. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    no i mean I had it last year. did it this year. it's the same except the year one has mellowed and a little age quality
  21. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    It's it's becoming less rare... your hipster taste buds don't agree..
  22. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,210) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    Eh? Hipster is about the last thing on earth I am. Glad that I'm not the only one with this viewpoint, even if it is only being shared by a minority of folks
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  23. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    lolol just kidding man. maybe you had a bad batch but I think we can all agree that most of these claims that "last years batch of X was way better" are mostly in people's heads. I know big beers like dark lord and Darkness vary greatly from year to year but smaller beers taste change i attribute mostly to people's "palate" changing
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  24. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,210) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    I think there is a lot more variation in year-to-year seasonal releases than some people are willing to give credit for. Hopslam absolutely tasted different last year than 2011, but I still loved it. I know a ton of my friends agree 2010/2011 KBS is better than the 2012 batch. BCS 2011 was better than 2012 IMO (but then again, with GI tinkering the ABV each of the past few years, you'd expect variation). Frankly, I dont care too much about batch variation in flavors unless things go awry. Thinner mouthfeel and more acidic flavors to be are things I'd prefer to avoid versus "this has moar/less honey," etc.
  25. crushedvol

    crushedvol Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2008 Illinois

    jegross v breaking bad, my interest is piqued
  26. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    lolol I like jegross and I conceded he does know a lot more than me when it comes to beer. We just differ on opinions in this one case.
  27. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    I remember really loving it last year... and really loving it this year as well. Perhaps it's a touch more bastard this year, and last years was a little more backwoods?
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  28. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Now I completely disagree with you. We did a full 2005-2012 KBS vert last weekend and the previous batches were FAR beyond their prime and much worse than a 2012. 13 total people agreed all together on this.

    I really think it is a BA fad now to say how current releases aren't as good as previous batches.
  29. mike409

    mike409 Aspirant (220) Jan 25, 2012 Michigan
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  30. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    I think we should have a separate site for people who always complain how last years was better. It could be called BAA (Beer Anti Advocate). It could be a place where people can constantly dis beers and rave about "the good old days" 5 years ago when no one knew about good beer but them. They could also post pictures of all the rare beer they want to hoard to themselves and even pictures of them drinking "whales" in front of others and not sharing a single drop!
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  31. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,463) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Totally agree it's a fad.

    But it's also a counter-fad to mock anyone who says any beer in existence is different than the previously year. Which is just as silly.

    Whose fad wins? Cage match?
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  32. libbey

    libbey Initiate (0) May 18, 2008 British Indian Ocean Territory

  33. weakness33

    weakness33 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2011 Illinois

    About a week ago I had a BCS at a friends house. Wednesday I had my first BB from this year and I thought that it might be a bit weaker this year. After having a second one today I remember how it really good BB was in the past. Overall I think I had a very heavy bourbon beer behind it and that is where my taste was.
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  34. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan
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    THANK YOU!!! Christ all Friday....why is anyone interested in doing a KBS vertical anyway!?
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  35. RochesterAaron

    RochesterAaron Initiate (68) May 24, 2007 New York

  36. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    cannot like this enough
  37. fritts211

    fritts211 Aspirant (210) Feb 19, 2011 Tennessee
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    I'm disappointed in the fact I was never even able to find any, and have never gotten to try any vintage.

    But, I still think 2011 was better, and that was no 2010.
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  38. Shagtastic

    Shagtastic Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Indiana

    Oh hey its this thread again. I missed out on the last 4, glad I caught this one.
  39. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,210) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    Our bottles were all waxed (twist top bottles in earlier yrs), and storage makes a difference too
  40. MichPaul

    MichPaul Zealot (597) Jan 28, 2012 Michigan
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    Anyone else want to blast Founders these days? This is getting ridiculous! I'm thinking, as BA's, we have tries SO many "World Class" beers. When these highly sought after beers come out, we expect them to blow us away just as they did the first time we had it. It isn't gonna happen... Quit rippin on em and enjoy beer!
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