Atrial Rubicite and Viking Metal question

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by JoeDurp, Jul 25, 2013.

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  1. TxUltraRunner

    TxUltraRunner Disciple (352) Aug 16, 2012 Texas
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    That's what she said
     
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  2. krmkrm

    krmkrm Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2013 Alaska

    I'd really hope not.

    In any case, I disagree about kickstarter/indiegogo. If people want to contribute money to JK so that JK can do more awesome stuff--with or without the benefit of gifts for donors--then more power to them. If you don't like it, don't use it. I can't think of a legitimately negative aspect to it. If JK needs money to do cool shit, but it's not worth it unless they know for sure that they can get the money, what else do you suggest they do? There is a reason that these sites are as successful as they are.

    Of course, this hasn't been mentioned by anybody at JK, so I'm not trying to push this on anybody. I'm just saying that it's something that shouldn't be dismissed outright because somebody thinks it "seems like begging for cash" and calls it bullshit. What it "seems like" doesn't really have any bearing on the reality of the situation. Would JK become a brewery of beggars if they did this? I mean, if that's begging, what do you call pushing bottle prices up?

    If, e.g., a brewery wanted to brew a beer that would take significant time, money, and space away from other projects, it seems clear that gauging interest and funding it beforehand is at least something to consider. The world is not optimized by everybody only spending money that they have on-hand at the time.
     
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  3. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    isnt the base black metal, and if you didnt like that,

    DIE!!!!
     
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  4. TxUltraRunner

    TxUltraRunner Disciple (352) Aug 16, 2012 Texas
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    All jokes aside...

    ...didn't Prairie Ales do a kickstarter? And didn't they collect more than what they asked for? I don't think anyone would hold that against them seeing as how their beers are gaining attention around the country in a short amount of time. I'm with you on this one dude.
     
  5. krmkrm

    krmkrm Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2013 Alaska

    Black Metal is the base for Funk Metal, but Viking Metal is gin barrel aged Gotlandsdricka with juniper berries and souring bacteria, iirc.
     
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  6. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Really?
     
  7. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Wow. That "dickfor" joke takes me back to 6th grade, lol.
     
  8. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    I'm not a fan of kick starter either. People used to go out and get investors and try to pitch their product. Kickstarter is just a lazier way of panhandling. It you've been in business for a few years and you're doing we'll (Ranger Creek), you shouldn't be using kickstarter. If you're a badass home brewer and you're trying to get a startup going, I might be ok, but you better put on an event to let people sample your product.
     
  9. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    Ah ok, carry on then :wink:
     
  10. mhenson42

    mhenson42 Zealot (535) Nov 20, 2011 Texas
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    Back in the day, most people with good business ideas and plans sought out investors or borrowed money with the intent of repaying it from cash flows from operating the business. Kickstarter is an end run around that. Nothing wrong with it, but it just feeds the collectivism/handout culture that is slowly taking over our society. I don't care if people want to give their hard earned cash to fund someone else's profit making venture in return for trinkets and swag. Lol. Im not gonna be the one that does that. Create a product that I want, price it to cover your costs, differentiate from alternatives and then I buy it. That's how I will support a business.... Buy their products so they generate profits and build a sustainable business model.
     
  11. mhenson42

    mhenson42 Zealot (535) Nov 20, 2011 Texas
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    Third grade actually. :wink:
     
  12. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Sometimes someone makes a statement that makes me want to hit the 'like' button 20 times. Thanks Matt.
     
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  13. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Aspirant (258) Jun 28, 2010 Texas

    The $3K is for a two year brewpub permit.

    We argued that we shouldn't have to pay a bond because we've been in business for nearly three years, but TABC said that the time we've been in business only counts toward a license for the manufacturing tier. They said we've had zero time in business as a retailer, and therefore have to pay the bond.

    - Jeff
     
  14. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Aspirant (258) Jun 28, 2010 Texas

    That's correct. We've never said anything about Kickstarter, and don't plan on doing a campaign.

    - Jeff
     
  15. HopAG

    HopAG Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2012 Texas
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    I know that this is the wrong thread to post this in, but it seems like Jeff is active within this general area.

    Any plans for more Bonnie the Rare? It was a fantastic summer beer!


    I miss everything threads.


    Also, here's to a quick journey for your brewpub license Jeff! May TABC always be at your back and far far away!
     
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  16. elbrooksie

    elbrooksie Aspirant (245) Jan 10, 2013 Texas
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    Well, on the face of it (only knowing what is in this thread, mind you) that sounds like it makes sense?

    Or, the government just wants more of your money lol
     
  17. JoeDurp

    JoeDurp Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2011 Texas

    That's a good question have they brought anything back it seems like when I make something its a one and done thing.
     
  18. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Juniper was in the original base beer and is in the pine family, it's in gin.
     
  19. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Aspirant (258) Jun 28, 2010 Texas

    Thanks. We'd like to revisit Bonnie the Rare, although it probably won't be anytime too soon. Our brew schedule is now set through the rest of the year and Bonnie the Rare isn't on it.

    - Jeff
     
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  20. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Aspirant (258) Jun 28, 2010 Texas

    We're not upset about it. I only mentioned it to publicly convey some of the costs associated with selling beer in Texas. Like I wrote, we couldn't be more excited about the legal right to sell beer at our brewery.

    As for whether the time we've already been open should count toward exemption from the bond, we think it should. We're still fundamentally the same business. If we continue to brew and sell beer for on-site consumption like we're doing right now, we would not have to post a $5K bond. But if we brew and sell beer for on-site and off-site consumption, we have to post a $5K bond.

    This is a mild complaint. I'd post two $5k bonds if it meant we could sell beer at our brewery.

    - Jeff
     
  21. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Hence "the Rare".
     
  22. HopAG

    HopAG Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2012 Texas
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    I guarantee there is a bottle floating somewhere in Houston, just gotta find it!
     
  23. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    I have a few.
     
  24. HopAG

    HopAG Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2012 Texas
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    You were a smart man!
     
  25. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Nah, just a humble hoarder.
     
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  26. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Some interesting things I saw this weekend in the barrel room at Jester King that are probably already known:

    Blackberry RU55 (Pretty sure it was announced on the blog) and Gin Barrel Das Wunderkind.
     
  27. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Aspirant (258) Jun 28, 2010 Texas

    We used RU55 as the base beer for our blackberry re-fermentation. The gin barrels we have in our barrel room contain our second batch of Viking Metal.
     
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  28. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (618) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    As a fruit beer whore, I have a beerection about some blackberry beer from JK
     
  29. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification.
     
  30. HopAG

    HopAG Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2012 Texas
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  31. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    I think I missed the memo on that Blackberry beer. Sounds mediocre at best. Blackberries aren't very good and RU55 is the worst beer they've produced. I think I only bought 6 bottles of it.
     
  32. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Only 6.
     
  33. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    LOL. I see what you did there.
     
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  34. krmkrm

    krmkrm Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2013 Alaska

    Not that it's topical anymore, but... you guys know that kickstarter isn't a "gibe moni pls" situation, right? You contribute $n, and you get Floor[$n] worth of products back, where Floor[$n] is the nearest rounded-down donation level. Typically, you get the product at a price lower than it will retail for, since you're taking the incentive to help finance its production. You pay money to a company for a product that you want to see made, and you get the product (typically with perks: custom colors, signed merch, lower price, whatever) that you paid for.

    In any case, I will murder ten men to get my BBRU55. Watch yourselves.
     
  35. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Zealot (511) Jan 10, 2011 Texas
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    There is a reason that San Antonio people (actually I think only two of us are thought of that way) are dicks but most in the SW forum haven't figured it out yet.
     
  36. krmkrm

    krmkrm Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2013 Alaska

    Always drunk from drinking all of the Freetail; always angry drunk because there's not enough of it to drink carelessly.
     
  37. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Zealot (511) Jan 10, 2011 Texas
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    Nope
     
  38. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    I'd be angry too if that was the case.
     
  39. elbrooksie

    elbrooksie Aspirant (245) Jan 10, 2013 Texas
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    Indeed. And IMHO, you should have been able to from the start.
     
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  40. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    It's not the Freetail that makes one angry drunk, it's the Tequila. Where the Tex meets the Mex.
     
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