Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #24 - Hop Schedule Times

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 13, 2017.

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Select one or more hop addition timings.

Poll closed Apr 15, 2017.

  1. First Wort

    10 vote(s)
    34.5%

  2. 60 min

    20 vote(s)
    69.0%

  3. 45 min

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. 30 min

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%

  5. 20 min

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%

  6. 10 min

    23 vote(s)
    79.3%

  7. 5 min

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%

  8. Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand

    21 vote(s)
    72.4%

  9. Dry Hop - Biotransformation Timing

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. Dry Hop - Traditional Timing

    7 vote(s)
    24.1%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #23 <- determined that the bittering hop(s), if any, will be one or more of the previously selected Flavor/Aroma Hops.

    This poll will determine the timing of the hop additions, not quantities or specific variety(s) for each addition. Some may feel they can't vote on timing without knowing which hops and proportions for each addition. Oh well, we have to start somewhere. Multiple choices are of course allowed for this one. Any timing choice with at least 50% of voters choosing it will be in. Any timing choice with less than 50% of voters choosing it will be out. Hopefully the options cover enough bases (and then some).

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)

    Grain Bill:
    ---Maris Otter (89%)
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L) (5%)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L) (2%)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 (4%)

    Hops:
    ---EKG, Target, Northdown (timing and qtys TBD)

    Mash Temperature (recommended): 154F
    Mash Length (recommended): 60 minutes
    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469
     
    #1 VikeMan, Apr 13, 2017
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I just went with my standard UK pale ale regime of first wort, 20, flameout. I'm usually using only EKG for the later additions, so someone with more experience with Target or Northdown could maybe sway me to change.
     
    #2 scottakelly, Apr 13, 2017
  3. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Majority should be at 60 for bittering. Smaller late hop adds at 10 and flameout for flavor/aroma. No dry hop.

    I'll change my vote to avoid doing additions at 20 and 10. We should pick one, not both.
     
    #3 crcostel, Apr 14, 2017
  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    FWH because I am lazy, I'd be happy with 60 minutes, but I would still FWH because I am lazy.
    10 minutes because I want some flavor, but not sure if I want to get carried away. And then a splash of dry hops for aroma.

    Flameout hops seem weird for an ESB, don't know why :slight_smile:
     
    #4 wspscott, Apr 14, 2017
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    No one will vote with me if I wrote in 90, right?
     
    #5 pweis909, Apr 14, 2017
  6. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    That's just the same as FWH.
     
    #6 dmtaylor, Apr 14, 2017
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    You mean the calculated IBUs are about the same? Could be. But I'm not sure the magic that is fwh occurs in a mere 90 min boil
     
    #7 pweis909, Apr 14, 2017
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    You mean the magic of "smooth" bitterness :slight_smile:
    or are you suggesting there are other magic tricks with FWH?
     
    #8 wspscott, Apr 14, 2017
  9. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I've started using FWH but I really don't think there's any difference to adding it at the beginning of the boil. The reason I do it is because it's easier. I don't have to think about when I add the hops and I can just focus on making sure it doesn't boil over.
     
    #9 Roadkizzle, Apr 14, 2017
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Oh boy, another FWH debate.:slight_frown:
     
    #10 JackHorzempa, Apr 14, 2017
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Yeah, I was raising an eyebrow when I mentioned magic.
     
    #11 pweis909, Apr 14, 2017
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  12. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I don't believe in magic.
     
    #12 dmtaylor, Apr 14, 2017
  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    My interest is really in calculating the exact IBUs in the beer, regardless of fwh magic. I want no fewer than 4 significant digits.

    (That's a straightline, inviting a punchline: "I'll give you a significant digit...")
     
    #13 pweis909, Apr 14, 2017
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  14. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Ha.... even on a good day, IBU calcs are only good to about 1/2 a significant digit. But we totally digress.
     
    #14 dmtaylor, Apr 14, 2017
  15. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
    Pooh-Bah

    I first wort hop as it helps prevent boil overs, it's also something to do when waiting for the mash to finish.
     
    #15 Hanglow, Apr 15, 2017
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Looks like 60, 10, and Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand.
     
    #16 VikeMan, Apr 15, 2017
  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    #17 wspscott, Apr 16, 2017
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