Bad trade with dcsoke

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by gikiniji, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. gikiniji

    gikiniji Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    I was looking for some FFF and I live in Canada so I got in contact with dcsoke and we got a arrangement on 12 beers I send mine he send his . He received is box with 2 bottles broken and I apologize for it and tell him that I will resend those bottle when winter will be gone! But the problem here is that is box got flag at the border because he didn't write the right form for the border and I never received any bottles. So I told him that I can find a American address for him to send back but he refuse because 2 bottles broke in the box I ship him. That is not a reason for not shipping back he got his beer and I got a 100$ bill for nothing. I'm very piss what can I do now?
  2. Ataraxia

    Ataraxia Aspirant (209) Sep 20, 2012 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Er, should I be worried about our planned trade? How complicated is the red tape and paperwork?
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  3. EgadBananas

    EgadBananas Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2009 Louisiana

    It's not that difficult, really. But you do have to fill out a customs form and declare a specific product group, specific value and pack the FUCK out of th box...cuz the last thing you want is a broken bottle going through customs. I'll walk you through the process if you'd like, just send me a message.
  4. Mjmoser

    Mjmoser Initiate (0) May 6, 2012 Illinois

    Did his bottles get returned to him? Or lost/confiscated? Either way, he owes you a box and I would think the US address would help. From what I understand, proper paperwork is a known risk with international trades, and he is at fault if not filed correctly. He should honor the trade, or worst case scenario send your beer back to the US address you offered so at a minimum you are out money (albeit, a lot). This sucks, sorry man.
  5. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    He had to clean up two broken bottles you sent him. You should send him another box for his troubles.
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  6. Rutager

    Rutager Poo-Bah (2,162) Oct 18, 2010 British Columbia (Canada)
    Beer Trader

    You owe him the two broken bottles, he owes you the box agreed on. Providing him with a US address is going above and beyond if this was agreed to be an international trade. This dick needs to go on the bad trader list.

    On a side note, if you have a US address available to you, it's so much better to use that and send within the US if at all possible.
  7. gikiniji

    gikiniji Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    It is really not complicated he just write that a 20 pound of collectible glassware worth 1$ who will pay 50$ in shipping for something that worth 1$ I got a lot of us trade done and it's the first time someone do that
  8. whiskey

    whiskey Aspirant (270) Feb 25, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    Come on OP, get with the details!
  9. gikiniji

    gikiniji Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    The bottle got confiscated... Because he never claim them back!
  10. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    Sounds to me that it is a cluster *uck all around. You both owe each other beer. I suspect he could have posted this same thread against you.

    BTW- Sentence structure is important.
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  11. tacosandbeer

    tacosandbeer Aspirant (250) Sep 24, 2010 Nebraska
    Beer Trader

    Perhaps English is not his first language.
  12. mcc1654

    mcc1654 Aspirant (280) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    He lists the OP as a successful trade in his profile.
  13. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    Ah. Didn't think of that. Didn't mean to be an a$$hole.
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  14. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
    Beer Trader

    She's a real sweet lady. Very down to earth too :)
  15. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Y'all both need to work this one out amicably or we're staring at the first ever double bad trader scenario.
  16. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (617) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
    Beer Trader

    Would that be a double dick move, then? :confused:
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  17. dachshunddude86

    dachshunddude86 Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2012 Florida

    I believe this is what is called a sword fight. It make sense to, they both owe beer so now they get to duel to see who sends first.
  18. gikiniji

    gikiniji Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    I already propose to him to resend the broken bottles and to add some extra for the problem it occur. But he didn't want to send back his bottle so I won't give him more bottle for nothing. Understood? I have not a bad trader!
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  19. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I was half-joking... I think he's more in the wrong than you are, but this is a really weird "bad trader" situation. Quite frankly, I don't even know what protocol really is when customs comes into play. Hence, it's probably for the best if you guys just work it out together.
  20. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (417) May 28, 2007 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    He did get 10 beers from the guy..He really should re-send...The OP should not really be screwed because the the other guy had no clue how to send the beer international....Its not his fault and he gets zero out of the deal?
  21. juliusseizure

    juliusseizure Aspirant (262) Feb 11, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    Not sure where people are seeing equal fault. One guy ships and 2 bottles break, is willing re-ship. Other guy gets entire package taken by customs because he's too lazy to learn how to ship international, so he says "let's call it even?". WTF!

    The absolute least he can do is just send back the bottles that didn't break to the US shipping address.
  22. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (417) May 28, 2007 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Was exactly how I felt, but im not sure if im missing something...Would be nice if the other guy came here and explained himself..
  23. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    If you offered to replace the broken bottles with a bonus for the troubles then clearly you were open to discussion.

    The major problem here is packaging! and filling out childish paper work. Shipping to Quebec is a joke. I agree that shipping a box (costing about 75$ ?) and getting it confiscated is a bitch but it's part of the deal when shipping. The OP even offered a U.S address to make sure it doesn't happen again. Meaning he would have to drive out cross the border and come back with the beer while paying 20% taxes on all the bottles. Sounds like a fair compromise.
  24. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,374) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    Did you point out this thread to him?

    I ask because he was just on-line, & it always seems weird that people accused of being bad traders don't come in & give their side of the story (if there is one). When the other side avoids a bad trader thread while continuing to use the site, it makes them look guilty.

    And yes, the guy should certainly re-send the box, or hit the bad traders list.
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  25. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (417) May 28, 2007 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Any word on what is going on with this?
  26. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    I am talking with them to find an agreement that will make both parties happy.
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  27. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (417) May 28, 2007 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Awesome..Glad to hear
  28. gkatsoris

    gkatsoris Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2007

    He typed in a Canadian that is friggen cool.
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  29. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    Not canadian.. Must be more specific and say french-canadian ;)

    That's what it's all aboot eh?
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  30. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    A boot? Where?
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  31. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    Little update on this.

    I was in a conversation with this (bad trader) and finally convinced him to ship a 6 pack. (was originally 12 bottles plus extras) It's better than nothing right?

    Then he said that, the specific 6pack wasn't on the shelf but that he was going to the DL day and that he could pick it up.

    Next thing I know is that is BA account is closed and no sign of life.

  32. Thirsty_Rob

    Thirsty_Rob Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    Wow. What a POS. He's still going on the bar trader list, right? Also, does BA track IP's in case of duplicate accounts?
  33. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    I don't think BA does. I wouldn't be surprised if he had his own account closed to open up a new one.

    I will still be adding him just so that I have his info if ever that name comes up.
  34. claaark13

    claaark13 Zealot (504) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    What FFF bottles were involved, if you don't mind me asking?
  35. Thirsty_Rob

    Thirsty_Rob Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    Gotcha. Many of the car forums I used to frequent tracked IP's to prevent users from re-offending with new accounts. It's not that you are unable to make another account from the same IP, but if an account is banned/deleted and another account from the same IP pop's up again, then the forum can take action. Of course, these were people that would scam people out of hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I think it's something BA should look into. Is their a suggestion box? lol
  36. Thirsty_Rob

    Thirsty_Rob Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    I'm curious as well. I wouldn't mind pitching in to get this guy his bottles, but I'm in Cali.
  37. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    I'd also second that. It would put more pressure on Dbags to do the right thing.
  38. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    Originally a mixed 12 or random beers from FFF.

    Later on just to be safe and at least get something, he settled on a 6pack of robert the bruce.
  39. poonamibaxter

    poonamibaxter Aspirant (256) Jun 26, 2007 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    I'm in Colorado but if someone puts a box together for this guy let me know and I will send some Crooked Stave, Avery, and Funkwerks.
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  40. Thirsty_Rob

    Thirsty_Rob Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    Cool. I'm going to invite anyone that wants to ship stuff to a private BM so we can get his US address, because I've never shipped internationally.
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