Ballast Point shutting down Daleville [Virginia] taproom, restaurant

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by TomCat11, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:27 PM.

  1. TomCat11

    TomCat11 Devotee (490) Jul 21, 2012 Virginia

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  2. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Defender (631) Dec 12, 2014 California

    The article doesn't say why. So, why?
  3. TomCat11

    TomCat11 Devotee (490) Jul 21, 2012 Virginia

    Wondered the same thing. Guess is it's not being profitable so of course they will close their doors off to the public while still running the brewery operations to help their bottom line and keep a vein on the East coast. Business is business I suppose. Hopefully those who are losing their jobs in the taproom & restaurant will be offered a role on the brewery side if they are qualified.
  4. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Disciple (333) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I wonder what would cause it to not be profitable? It is almost always busy or very busy there. As someone in healthcare, I know it is a popular place for large gatherings in that industry. Just seems weird.
  5. TomCat11

    TomCat11 Devotee (490) Jul 21, 2012 Virginia

    Article recently updated

    We (WSLS) reached out to Constellation Brands, which owns Ballast Point, and received this response:

    "As seen throughout the beer industry, growth in craft beer is being driven largely by local brands. With that, we are appropriately reallocating Ballast Point investments to drive growth in core local markets.

    We thank the local Daleville community, its surrounding neighbors and our taproom employees for their support and dedication over past couple of years. We will continue to make a positive impact to the local economy through the operation of the Daleville brewing facility, which represents a robust hub for Constellation’s future innovation in support of our specialty portfolio."

    As the end of the day they can say it's not about the profitability but it's all about making $$ and the best business decisions for their pockets. And it's the end of summer in an area that will see a significant drop people traveling through there once the weather starts to shift. Other than truckers stopping in Daleville on their way down 81 BP probably knows from going through their first Fall/Winter in the building last year that business was probably dead for 6 - 8 months until temperatures warmed up again. if nothing happens to the space between now and next Spring/Summer I wouldn't at all be surprised if they decided to open back up for a few months to get that cash grab from visitors knowing they can make off a tidy profit when weather becomes better.
  6. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,854) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Interestingly they just opened a location in Chicago ... I wonder if Chicago is a "core local market" or is the Chicago location will also fizzle out shortly.
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  7. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Devotee (494) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia

    Those cuts made in CA a few months (year?) ago finally caught up to VA... bummer.

    They posted to their FB site, lots of comments rolling in there as well.
  8. hoppytobehere

    hoppytobehere Crusader (784) Aug 10, 2012 District of Columbia

    I had no idea they had production in VA. Now I'm even more amazed that I can never find fresh Sculpin here in DC.
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,128) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I am not familiar with Daleville area. Is it a popular summer vacation/destination sort of place? Is this why there are more customers at the tasting room then?

    Are there not enough resident craft beer consumers to keep this tasting room profitable throughout the year?

  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (1,838) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Although their corporate home office is still just north of the Finger Lakes region in NYS - they started as a bulk winery in that area - their beer division (both imported and domestic) seems to run out of their Chicago offices.

    Constellation Brands, Inc.
    131 S Dearborn St Suite 1200
    Chicago, Illinois, 60603

    Pretty sure being in Chicago dates back to the "Barton Beer" (one of the two US importers of Corona) era, and then the Crown Imports period when it was a joint venture between Constellation, which bought Barton, and Grupo Modelo.
  11. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,854) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Interesting, I did not know about the bigger connections with Constellation.

    The new Ballast Point location here is quite cool though - its a very nice space:
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,128) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    That location does indeed look nice!

    Have you been there? Is it a favorite for you? Is it popular with other craft beer consumers?

    And one more: do they brew unique (Chicago only) beers there?

  13. TomCat11

    TomCat11 Devotee (490) Jul 21, 2012 Virginia

    There's some residential areas in Daleville but I wouldn't necessarily think of it as a hot bed of craft beer drinkers or even an area where people are moving to. There's really not much out that way. Everything is going to be in Roanoke. Depending on the route you take it's 20-30 minutes outside Roanoke literally right off Rt 81. During the spring / summer you probably get Roanokers and those traveling up & down the Shenandoah Valley / SW Va to stop by but in the fall/winter there's no real reason to stop there other than those looking for a quick pit stop at the few gas stations / truck stops, fast food chains and hotels right off that exit.You're definitely not going out of your way to visit Daleville for any reason other than that.

    Flying Mouse was the only other local brewery in Daleville but they closed at the end of last year after struggling along for 5 years. I visited them once and their beers were not very good.
  14. Crusader

    Crusader Aspirant (285) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    I thought this entry on beer marketer's insights from july was noteworthy. -34% in dollar sales in a 12 week period for Ballast Point, reported in late june so I guess the 12 week period had just ended by then? Seems like a particularly bad time of year for a drop in beer sales to occur if that's the case.
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  15. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,854) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I've only been in there once - I don't get to breweries very often especially ones in the city, but I'd love to get back there. Wouldn't say its a favorite of mine, but like I said, I'd happily go back. Given my limited experience I can't speak to its general popularity.

    They do brew "experimental" beers at the taproom that are unique to Chicago. They also rotate through some exclusive food offerings for the Chicago taproom.
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  16. treznor

    treznor Zealot (541) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina

    I've oddly been to both the Daleville and Chicago BP locations. Oddly as I didn't really seek either of them out, they just happened to be close to other places I was going. The Daleville location is much bigger than Chicago if I remember correctly, though the Chicago location felt pretty big for a place in Chicago. Both had pretty solid options for beer that weren't distributed and pretty decent food.
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  17. lackenhauser

    lackenhauser Poo-Bah (2,475) Dec 10, 2002 Maryland
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    Didnt know they even had such a place......
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  18. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Devotee (402) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

  19. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (283) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I am not familiar with the Daleville area, but location and seasonal shifts in tourism to this area are usually core criteria to be considered when building something of this proportion.

    Sounds basically like a poor business decision, nothing more nothing less.
  20. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Defender (646) May 3, 2016 Illinois

    As a Chicagoan I can say I've never been to the Chicago location. It's such a saturated market. If it were in a more convenient location for me I would probably have tried it however...
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  21. treznor

    treznor Zealot (541) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina

    They're not shutting down the brewery, just the restaurant. The brewery is why they came to VA and why they put the brewery where they did (right off of 81). While they wasted money on building out the restaurant, that's probably a blip on what it cost to build out the brewery itself. So, wasted money to be sure, but not exactly a game changer for them.

    If you're around the corner at Girl & Goat, Cruz Blanca, or Haymarket, (or anywhere else in the Fulton Market area), its worth stopping by to check out. Otherwise, yeah, not so much. It is pretty convenient though considering there's tons of stuff to drink and eat in Fulton Market and its right on the L. When I visit though I usually stay in the Loop, so that definitely makes it easier to get to.
  22. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Defender (646) May 3, 2016 Illinois

    It's convenient in Fulton Market, but with the amount of renowned and acclaimed restaurants and bars in that neighborhood why would you go to a macro brewery? It's like going to Paris and having McDonalds.
  23. treznor

    treznor Zealot (541) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina

    Not going to disagree there. Like I said, its in the area and if you happen to be in the area, it might be worth stopping in for a beer or a flight just to see the place and try the non-distro stuff. I've been once though, don't plan on going back. I'd much rather drink/eat at Haymarket and Cruz Blanca.
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  24. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (332) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    sigh :pensive:
  25. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Aspirant (267) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    A taproom is where you can charge triple. It's odd this was the first to go. I see the whole brewery sold or gone in 1-2 years at this pace.
  26. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (2,661) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    How can it be "not about the profitability" and "all about making $$"? Profitability and making $$ are the same thing.
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  27. onezendad

    onezendad Initiate (131) Apr 16, 2018 Ontario (Canada)

    I went on my way down to Asheville last October and it was not busy, all be it that was a Thursday afternoon.

    A gorgeous space with an amazing view from the glass patio though. Have to wonder if a 3rd party would not want to run a restaurant out of the space.
  28. treznor

    treznor Zealot (541) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina

    You can charge triple... for 1% of the volume (or less). Whether the East Coast (and the rest of the country) can support a BP brewery is a completely separate question of whether western Virginia can support a BP taproom.
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  29. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,975) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Also, given traffic conditions in that area, (especially during peak periods) I'm not convinced many folks would take the half-hour or so to go to Daleville from the area around Roanoake for food and a beer. However, from the standpoint of shipping beer....
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