Bar in Perth Selling Westy VII

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by eric5bellies, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. eric5bellies

    eric5bellies Jun 9, 2006 Australia

    $99 a bottle. Surely this is beer hype gone too far.

    I have had the good fortune to have drank my fare share of Westy, and although its a great beer, is it 9 times better than a Rochfort 10 or St Bernardus ABT 12 ? I don't think so. Guess it won't last long though.
  2. dgilks

    dgilks Jul 14, 2008 Australia

    Sounds perfect for all the CUBs in Perth.
  3. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia


    Also what's the point of having 36 taps when they're all taken up by shitty lowest common denominator beer? Wouldn't go near this place.
  4. eric5bellies

    eric5bellies Jun 9, 2006 Australia

    Actually I have been here and found it pretty good. Although the Beer Taps themselves are much to write home about, the bottled beers are pretty good with a decent range of Belgians including sours. They even run beer schools that look at faults in brewing techniques and critique a range of beers of the same style. I know the owner is an avid beer fan and is trying hard to get people to drink better beer by exposing them to a vast array of styles, so he should be applauded for that. The food is also very nice and the atmosphere friendly.

    However Westy 12 at $99 a bottle ? which essentially means that the total take for one carton is $2400. Considering you can buy a crate off ebay for $500, and lets say he paid $800 and postage $300 that is still a 200 - 300 % mark up or thereabouts, this coupled with the fact that it goes against the wishes of the Monks at Sint Sixtus, and would be shaking their collective heads at this. Although some see it as clever marketing and thats an argument for another day.

    The hype for this beer has gotten out of control IMO. It just does not warrant the ridiculous prices its fetching (along with many other U.S. annual releases) and really does nothing at all for beer in general. I could never see how a 330ml bottle of beer could fetch this price even if it is "exclusive"
  5. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    There's a few beers I would pay $100 to drink 330mL of, but Westy is not one of them.
  6. eric5bellies

    eric5bellies Jun 9, 2006 Australia

    The only ones I could think of would be Wooden Hell or Kaggen! thats about it.
  7. Lukie

    Lukie Jun 16, 2007 Australia

    Westy 7 sounds amazing. ;)
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  8. foles

    foles Jan 28, 2007 Australia

    $100 * 15 and you've got a cheap airfare to Belgium. And you can get on a bicycle and ride out and try it as it was intended. For 3 or so euros.
  9. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    The last time I saw the pricelist at Akkurat, Kaggen was going for 375 SEK or $56 AUD on the current conversion for a 250ml bottle

    I don't think they care about the monks wishes, nor do they care about the taplist, by the look of that

    Crazy markup, but is it any different, percentage wise, to bars over in Perth charging $18 for a 500ml glass of Hoegaarden?
  10. Lukie

    Lukie Jun 16, 2007 Australia

    We should just have pinned to the top of the thread "Perth is shit for bars".
  11. foles

    foles Jan 28, 2007 Australia

    Although the Feral tap takeover at Sail is a rare good thing. And Fremantle is not Perth I guess! Will be there tonight.
  12. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    I've seen similar pricing in the Sydney CBD. What I often wonder about many Sydney bars is who has both a) the money and b) the requisite lack of taste; to patronise them.
  13. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    I didn't realise that money and taste were necessarily correlated.

    Think some bars are doing pretty well. I've given up on going to Frankies later in the week than Wednesday as i can't move inside both rooms, so no shortage of patrons there.
  14. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    I wouldn't think they are correlated either.

    I've only been to Frankie's twice when it's been dead quiet. But I guess I went at some unconventional times. More importantly, have they fixed the pinball machines yet?
  15. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    I'm lost

    Not sure
  16. MordeciaFunk

    MordeciaFunk Feb 14, 2012 Australia

    Wow, $99, against monk wishes.

    I would of thought Matt would of known better then that.
  17. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    I think I was saying pretty much exactly the same thing as you.
  18. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    You people forget about the important stuff in all of this.
    Once you factor in trips to McDonalds, petrol, shipping and the time spent on the phone to get a damned crate the cost of a bottle is $99.
    Is there a shop in Perth that does trading and then sells what they have left and a silly margin??
    Feel bad for those poor miners. No wonder Veuve is like $50 a bottle in Dan Murphy's. Have to have some sparkling water
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  19. Darwin553

    Darwin553 Jan 5, 2009 Australia

    How much was the Crown Ambassador going for again? ;)
  20. LexP

    LexP Jun 29, 2008 Australia

    The sheer amount of outrage in this thread is hilarious
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  21. spicelab

    spicelab Nov 6, 2009 Australia
    Beer Trader

    Aw come on. You know you want to add to it:)
  22. MordeciaFunk

    MordeciaFunk Feb 14, 2012 Australia

    The outrage seems about right. My patented formula proves it!

    OR = OP x [{(MD x I) + SSR} + KBWF]

    OR = Outrage
    OP = Outrageous pricing
    MD= Moral dubiousness
    I = Internet
    SSR = Sense of self-righteousness
    KBWF = Keyboard Warrior Factor

    P.S You really should join in though. Outrage is a fabulous emotion.
  23. LexP

    LexP Jun 29, 2008 Australia

    I just don't really see anything to be outraged about.
    I'm not willing to pay that amount for a beer so I won't. Someone else is? Good for them.

    As for the whole "Against the monks wishes" business, I see it as a little hypocritical. How many people have had grey market beers that are in Australia against the brewers wishes?
  24. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    No doubt.

    I would be surprised that any place that wanted to sell Westy 12 for $99 would be the least bit interested in any wishes other than that of the owner.
  25. foles

    foles Jan 28, 2007 Australia

    Grey market beers are bad news - lets not go there. Grey market beers are normally stale by the time they get to us. I find eve legit beers are hard to gauge the quality of (I only like my beers fresh - very sensitive to oxidation). I hope the Quarie knows who picked it up from Westvleteren and how it got to their door, because "beers that age well" shouldn't be mistaken with "can withstand all manner of mistreatment".
  26. LexP

    LexP Jun 29, 2008 Australia

    Not really what I was trying to say.

    They imported a single mixed carton, which is why the price is what it is. Freight and import duties/taxes aren't going to help. If they were bringing in pallets of the stuff and charging the same amount it would be a different kettle of fish.

    Fact is, that it's selling pretty fast so good for them.
  27. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    Gosh darnit, holy shit I'm surprised! Who would've thunk that you would in fact be someone who knows the owners of the bar in question! Thanks for clearing that up though on their behalf. Yet another example of inbred commentary within the Australian beer scene.
  28. LexP

    LexP Jun 29, 2008 Australia

    I know quite a few people in the industry, does that mean I'm not allowed to comment?
  29. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    I was objecting to your move of "come in and smugly try to undermine the discourse without declaring your bias"

    Obviously you know them, good for you, next time say that from the start before giving your defence of them. Your second post in the thread was clearly extremely disingenuous ("uh...guys...I don't see anything wrong here!").
  30. perthbelgianbeer

    perthbelgianbeer Jan 4, 2011 Australia

    welcome to everybody :)

    don't worry LexP, you've said nothing wrong. Sometimes there's a bit of self-appointed policeman heavying on the aust forum. For what it's worth, i think they're all nice people, just sometimes outspoken to a fault.

    Heck i was once chastised by someone for advertising my beer tasting on here - the admonishment came from someone who advertised their own beer tasting a few months later. How did the barleywine festival go by the way?

    I think $99 westys are overpriced AND i think the quarie manager is a top bloke. Is that allowed?

    Im curious to know the margin. I think itd be smaller than i first thought. If doing this 100% legit, a cost of $45 (purchase + delivery + insurance) incurs about $6 duty and GST. but that is for personal consumption only. There are a different set of regulations for bringing beer into aust with the intent to sell. Id love to know what those costs are... Anyone have an idea?
  31. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia


  32. LexP

    LexP Jun 29, 2008 Australia

    Undermine the discourse by stating my opinion? Apologies for having a different opinion to the majority of the thread. I don't have to justify myself to you.

    No idea on any of the costs involved.
  33. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    EBay is/was hardly the cheapest place to purchase beer, but most times a 6 pack of Westy 12 appeared it was about $180 landed. Customs wouldn't be able to tell of the use, so duty most likely wouldn't apply.

    If the manager got it direct from the brewery the margin is even more grotesque.

    Assuming they bought a carton via a secondary market, the price would be even cheaper.

    Wasn't trying to speak for you, all comments I make are my own.
  34. CarlisleWineBin

    CarlisleWineBin Jul 8, 2008 Australia

    Im a bit ignorant of Trolling, but is this what The Quarie has done with the availabilty of Westy at this price? Got everyone up in arms and talking about it all....

    I believe highlighting the bar was perhaps the biggest objective of this venture. Some people may object at the method, I don't really care personally. At least someone is willing to do something different.
  35. Lukie

    Lukie Jun 16, 2007 Australia

    If they sold the beer without paying the duty they would be up for either paying the duty if found out, hefty fines, or losing their liquor license.

    This is not something I would expect they would do. I have heard of some places flaunting it, but when bringing something in to sell you make sure you pay the duty on it.

    Who wants to risk a liquor license for a couple of bottles of beer :/
  36. eric5bellies

    eric5bellies Jun 9, 2006 Australia

    If the manager got it direct from the brewery the margin is even more grotesque.

    I can't see how he got it direct from the Monks from here. Best bet is that he paid belgiuminabox.
  37. Boozecamel

    Boozecamel Feb 25, 2011 British Columbia (Canada)

    And then some prices are pretty reasonable. Like the 750 "Lou Pepe" for $29. Strange.
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  38. brendanos

    brendanos Oct 29, 2005 Australia

    I just want to say a) hi Alex, thanks for stopping by, and b) the rest of you are despicable and should be ashamed of yourselves.
  39. MordeciaFunk

    MordeciaFunk Feb 14, 2012 Australia

    Ashamed for asking questions? Some have been forthright, some have been probing, some a little rude. Using a catch all isn't fair now, is it. Is Mr Perthbelgianbeers despicable for asking for clarification and Lukie despicable for offering context and information? Mr Spicelab and myself for offering playful jibes? How did you reach your value judgement of us? Was it worth our remarks? Will we all pay the price? I'm sure there's a metaphor and/or analogy here. I just can't place my finger on it. Silly me.
  40. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    You should be ashamed of yourself.
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