Bar pulls beer from sale after customer claims the bottle looks like a KKK hood

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  1. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Savant (926) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    All of these things you point out are discussions to be had with the people who made this beer. What is accomplished by choosing to ignore who made it, not engaging in any discussion with them on it, but waging a social media campaign against the character of the people in the establishment that was selling it?

    A Black person produced this beer and had a seemingly worthy story behind it. Another Black person sees this beer and takes it in the complete opposite direction. How is the bar being insensitive or racist?
     
  2. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    He'S saying there are bigger fish to fry then a symbolically anti-racist beer made by a black person owned brewery.
     
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  3. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Poo-Bah (1,894) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    @Patman73. I think you are probably at least 90%correct. If you understand the meaning and intent why still complain at level 10 and still crucify the bar.
    I have to explain things for a living and have seen people,after the issue is cleared up go out and still scream at someone. They want to argue and be on the side of righteousness
     
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  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (649) Mar 28, 2009 California

    Nope.
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,484) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    You're wrong. :rofl:
     
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  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (649) Mar 28, 2009 California

    People can’t be wrong?
     
  7. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Meyvn (1,485) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Ya she would probably have a more interesting and productive discussion with the brewer if she were able.to speak to them.

    However, 6 years after release, and in the midst of a markedly different climate of race relations in the country, and considering we aren't talking about the sexual chocolate logo or some imagery that might be a little to sambo-esque for some people but instead are talking about a replica Klansman, it would seem to me the bar carries some responsibility to remind folks of the context under which the beer was produced. Especially if they're recommending it to folks.
     
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  8. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Aspirant (253) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    Apparently that's where your wrong, as in this world you do need to do research to make sure you're not offended by anything, ever, at any time.

    While the beer is an over the top example for some, others may have just dismissed it as childish and moved on with their lives.

    We can get upset about a beer (or anything that doesn't make us happy) or chose to either
    1. Educate ourselves before we make our own decisions as adults

    OR

    2. When something makes us unhappy, understand it's not pointed directly as ME as a person and move on.
     
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  9. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Aspirant (253) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    Great point.
     
  10. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Aspirant (253) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    Careful Jimmy, that stove top is hot...... Thats the bars job? Where does it stop?
    That IPA might not fit your pallet, but i know nothing of your pallet, but still reconsider.
     
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  11. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Champion (853) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    The bar needs better signage for customers to beware if they are going to put a stove top on the bar.
     
  12. Spaten454

    Spaten454 Disciple (389) Aug 23, 2012 Texas
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    People will always find a reason to be offended by something, it doesn't matter what it is.
     
  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,484) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Let me rephrase. People who immediately take their anger to a 10 over something, only to find out later they were wrong in doing so, cant seem to pony up and admit they were wrong. Or over reacted. They will knowingly continue down the original path they ser out on regardless.
     
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  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (649) Mar 28, 2009 California

    gotcha! I miss understood your first point. I thought you were saying I am wrong, which is fine. Many people probably think so.

    if you pony up you admit your wrong and that hurts the ego.
     
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  15. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (5,928) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    Henok from Omnipollo is black. I think he knows a couple of things about racism. And trust me when I say that Europe has plenty of problems with racism. Not the KKK, but we’ve been dealing with neo nazis and the like for a very long time.
     
  16. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Aspirant (253) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    Post of the thread!!!!!!!!
     
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  17. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    What a shitty comparison.
     
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  18. pro100

    pro100 Initiate (107) Oct 12, 2014 California

    I always wondered about that beer. I do hear it was meant to be anti-KKK but your average Joe isn't going to know this. Bad marketing ploy imo. Not everyone is hip to craft beer labels and beer names.
     
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  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    It’s a 7 year old marketing ploy. People have internet right?
     
  20. pro100

    pro100 Initiate (107) Oct 12, 2014 California

    I'm black myself and an African- American would never in their lifetime make this type of beer label period. I get what he's trying to do but its was a really bad ideal even back when I first saw it and was like, "wtf?"
     
  21. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Good thing we are all individuals and Henok owns his own brewery. I really hope he doubles down on it. I will buy more. I love anti-racism good beer!
     
  22. pro100

    pro100 Initiate (107) Oct 12, 2014 California

    I sure they do but again, those of us on BA are knowledgeable/hip about breweries and their releases but that's not the case in the everyday world.
     
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  23. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    @pro100 i agree but most people don’t order a 10-12 dollar beer without looking to see if it’s any good first. Again user error as 99% percent of people have the internet at their fingertips.
     
  24. pro100

    pro100 Initiate (107) Oct 12, 2014 California

    I used to bartend for almost 16 years. People would order cocktails/beers/wine/food that they've never tried or drank before in their lives. It would happen daily. The results were sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Outside of checking Yelp to see if the food is any good at a spot, the vast majority of people never look up a beer or drink to see if its any good or not. I maybe saw one or two guys pull up Untapped on their phones to check to see a beer's review. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your day
     
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  25. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Champion (853) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Meanwhile, somewhere there is a Dixie will rise again racist at World of Beer who was really excited with his purchase of Yellow Belly until they took off the wrapper to open it and he found out it was mocking him....
     
  26. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Meyvn (1,485) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    No one is claiming world of beer is legally or morally obligated to have done anything different. Its 2020 though, they have access to the internet. They could've just googled "how do people react to seeing KKK hoods?" And seen that, from a customer service perspective, it's probably a bad idea to have a beer designed to look like a Klansman without providing some level of education to their customers. They chose not to do that research, now they have to deal with a totally predictably upset customer. Given the existence of a single beer dressed like a Klansman its pretty reasonable to expect that its not something you need to be on the lookout for. I suppose if your goal is to never encounter anything offensive to you then you should do lots of research. By the same token, if you don't want to ever deal with angry customers you should probably do some research to ensure that none of your products ate offensive to anyone. If you didn't do that, you have no one to blame but yourself
     
  27. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    He is just a racist idiot.
     
  28. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Meyvn (1,485) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I am an overactive ba user and I've never looked up a beer before purchasing at a bar
     
  29. readyski

    readyski Aspirant (276) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    In these times, where it seems like everyone is walking on eggshells inside their own and other's glass houses, probably not the smartest marketing move (unless you're looking for conflict or controversy)
     
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  30. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    But they started this years ago as something making fun of the KKK. Nothing has changed. Black people were getting killed by police then as well. George Floyd and Breonna Taylor aren’t anything new.
     
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  31. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I don’t for a 6 dollar beer either but for something more pricey I ALWAYS do.
     
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  32. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Meyvn (1,485) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I think you are in the minority. I base my high dollar purchases at a.bar on the recommendations of the employees of the bar
     
  33. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Hey what do you know two different people do two very different things!
     
  34. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Savant (926) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    Hasn't been brewed since 2018. Not currently being marketed. So who is the one looking conflict or controversy?
     
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  35. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Meyvn (1,485) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I know, pretty common, kinda how like one person might find a beer packaged in a mini KKK robe offensive and others might not
     
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  36. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (5,928) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    And I can understand that, I'm just saying that Henok has some insight on the issue.
     
  37. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (312) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya difference is neither of us is freaking out about being offended.
     
  38. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Poo-Bah (3,130) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    This beer was originally brewed as part of the Rainbow Project Challenge, which was created by Siren Craft Brew. As far as I can tell, there were no donations towards the Rainbow Project from this ongoing series, although it did of course draw a lot of attention towards it at least.

    https://www.sirencraftbrew.com/about/rainbow-project
    https://www.therainbowproject.co.uk/

    However, I would also like to point out once again that this is NOT a $40 beer, that's simply what the bar was charging. It's naked and ridiculous profiteering, I've seen this beer on shelves in Germany for under 10€.

    I can't help but think that this is quite an ironic statement coming from someone with a stylized Iron Cross as their avatar.
     
  39. readyski

    readyski Aspirant (276) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Seemingly everyone :confused:
     
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  40. thebeers

    thebeers Poo-Bah (3,148) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    Yep, it’s sometimes difficult to tell in the United States if people with Iron Cross imagery are letting their Nazi flags fly — or if they’re just moronic skateboard kids from the 90s who just think it looks cool. I always give people the benefit of the doubt that they know what they’re doing and they’re fascists.
     
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