Beer Lovers and Wine Lovers. Can we get along?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Azzy, Sep 14, 2012.

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  1. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas

    Well I was in class and was talking about a business proposition to open up a craft beer bar and wine bar. I was sating that I believe a craft beer bar serving beer in proper glassware while also serving wine in proper glassware alongside each other could be a successful business venture. The reply of my professor was, "Do you think beer drinkers like wine geeks?".

    Now I am here asking you guys a question, if an establishment took the proper steps into opening a bar that had both beer and wine. Im saying maybe 50-80 taps, proper temperature, proper glassware, and 50-100 wine bottles, proper cellar, glassware and maybe 10-20 by the glass options kept properly in a preservation system to hold taste. Since there would be a wine cellar, cellaring beer would also be an option.

    Now If a bar did both things great and did it properly so wine connoisseurs could enjoy their wine the way they want, and us beer connoisseurs could enjoy our beer the way we like, would the presence of one another deter us? Could we possibly not be in the same establishment even though it caters to everything we like?

    I believe its the people and the love of the beverage, whatever choice it may be, that would get people to interact with each other and no one look down on each other for choosing one over the other. I am just asking how you guys feel about this.
     
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  2. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    I'd see no problem with it at all, however when I go to beer bars, I like to see a rotating tap list (tick tick), I also expect the staff to have a certain amount of knowledge and passion for beer. As long as the bar had that (for wine too....I guess :stuck_out_tongue:) then I'm in.
     
  3. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas

    Well Of course staff would have knowledge of both.
     
  4. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    Hey, just making sure.
     
  5. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    50-80 taps? That may be a little over reaching.

    It could work. I would think the way to do it is to market towards people that care high quality food and drink
    Your are going to need a small menu of grub as well.
     
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  6. davey101

    davey101 Pooh-Bah (2,360) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    I don't see the price points lining up. What would a cellared reputable wine cost at a bar? What would a cellared reputable beer cost at a bar? Probably not super on par.
     
  7. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas

    The way Im thinking is having a menu of 30 items, some tapas and then entrees that would go great with beer and wine. Im not thinking that people will cross the roads but more like people coming that love beer with friends that don't enjoy beer but like wine or just people that enjoy both worlds, or each independently. Ill go out there and throw out that I have 25,000 sq feet to work with. 50-80 taps seems large but the space is available for cunstruction. Of course Cellared wine would be above the $100 dollar range and beer would be no more than $50 after cellared a few year(if we even decide to do bottle cellar for beer), but it is two different markets and the wine people would know that as well as the beer people. Plus if we have decently priced beer and wine who can argue, no one will be insisting on people to buy the cellared items at a higher cost.

    My question is though, would beer geeks and wine geeks get along if enjoying their beverage of choice in a bar that caters to both, or would one talk down to the other?

    In my personal opinion, if I like something and it is being done right I don't care what the person next to me is having as long as he is enjoying it and we can have a nice conversation about anything else.

    Also, this is all hypothetical :wink: or is it?! :grinning:
     
  8. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    No. Wine drinkers put their pinkies up, and we prefer putting our thumbs up. We cannot co-exist. It's not possible.
     
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  9. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas

    Lol! Come on man.
     
  10. Localdrinklax

    Localdrinklax Initiate (0) Jul 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    I feel wine lovers should just drink wine barrel aged beer. Both worlds are happy then.
     
  11. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Beer lovers and wine lovers are often the same people! And don't forget that even when they are not ,any group of people will contain both.I would also suggest offering a good selection of single malt Scotch.
     
  12. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas

    Problem with this is taxes, Beer and Wine License is cheaper than Liquor license, and by cheaper I mean with a beer and wine license the guests pay the taxes, with a liquor the business pays them. This is business talking, not me personally lol :rolling_eyes:
     
  13. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    Single malt Scotch is possibly the lowest common denominator that unites us wine, beer and whiskey types. Well at least amongst us bloody, discerning "Ernie" types that we colonists are.
     
  14. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    NEVER!!! I always just remind them wine drinks how their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries...
     
  15. Azzy

    Azzy Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2012 Texas


    Guys, Im trying to be serious here. Why must we be so harsh.. :slight_frown:
     
  16. SatlyMalty

    SatlyMalty Initiate (0) Sep 12, 2012 Washington

    They can absolutely coexist. I am a wine and beer lover but my wife just drinks wine. I would love a bar that catered to both. Also the best wine/beer shop in my area has been expanding their beer selection so much in the last couple of years that the beer is starting to overtake the wine. Awesome! I think in the next couple of years the line that separates beer and wine is going to become more and more blurred.
     
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  17. gtermi

    gtermi Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2010 Texas

    I love both beer and wine. They are both very delicious and unique in flavor. I believe beer and wine drinkers would enjoy to have a bar or something that mixed the two.
     
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  18. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2010 Illinois
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    First rule of BA. Internet is serious business.




    Second rule.....get wales.
     
  19. DrinkingIPA

    DrinkingIPA Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2011 Massachusetts

    The capital investment you're proposing would be astronomical. Are you serving good food too? How would you attempt to compliment such a wide range of tastebuds? Would you pair to both beer and wine? Separately? Would the quality of your food match the quality of your beer/wine? If yes to all of the above, you would have to be in a city where you could fill seats every day of the week to keep the lights on...
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    It can work just fine.

    http://triacafe.com/
     
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