BeerAdvocate and Untappd Have Joined Forces

Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Feb 24, 2020.

  1. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (2,636) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Welcome to the forums, letshaveonemore. Different strokes for different folks. Contribute to the site in any way that you feel comfortable. I don't review beers except on rare occasion. I do rate some beers, and oftentimes will write just a comment to explain a low score for a beer's characteristic that I rated very low, or high, just to justify my score. That's an easy thing to do and I assume it is appreciated more than writing nothing.

    Enjoy the site however you want to define 'enjoy.'
     
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  2. ReadySetBeer

    ReadySetBeer Initiate (26) Feb 19, 2018 Minnesota
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    I'd argue that reviews in general are crowd-sourced here as well as at UT. IMO, unless you have a particular reviewer you watch, you're generally looking at averages. That being said, I look at BA for more detailed reviews, but I look at UT for what raters (my UT friends) I know personally give for ratings, since I know their tastes from drinking with them, talking with them. And I believe the collective generally larger numbers for more widely available beers tends to push averages down on UT, not up. Small sample size will cause a larger variation at either site.

    But, looking at the top about 20 beers on each site (yes, UT breaks out vintages more, but tries to keep beers that aren't specifically IDed with a vintage on the label itself as one), there are eight that appear on each list. Of the beers that aren't on both lists, excluding the two meads on UT's top 20, there isn't a beer on either list with an overall rating of less than 4.48. That means top 250-ish average score on BA. UT only shows its top 50.

    50th rated beer on UT is 2017 ChemTrail Mix. 2725 unique checkins, 3091 total - average 4.6
    On BA, that same beer is 82 ratings, 17 reviews - average 4.74

    50th rated beer on BA is Kern Citra. 413 reviews, 1825 ratings - average 4.61
    On UT, that same beer is 11105 unique checkins, 20406 total - average 4.37

    On average, it seems a large chunk of scores are number only, on both BA and UT.

    So, yes, you're getting some more in-depth reviews here in places, but perhaps with friends you get just as equally relevant information on UT, even if it's just a number and (often) a picture.

    $.02 given.
     
  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    It's been a pretty intense week or so. Just wanted to thank everyone for their support and constructive feedback. :beers:
     
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  4. MikefromDormont

    MikefromDormont Initiate (117) Dec 11, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I am a beer bottle label collector as well. Some cans do have peel-off vinyl labels, but I prefer beer to be in bottles.
     
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  5. elliot23

    elliot23 Initiate (119) Jan 27, 2009 Maryland
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    Clearly not since Untappd has almost completely replaced BA for rating beer. Apps are designed for ease of use. This website is still setup for desktop use.
     
  6. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (299) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    I used to work for a printing company too.
    Now I work for a global juggernaut. In the linear motion field.
    The pay is awesome. The rules however, are fluid here.
     
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  7. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (299) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    I feel like Beeradvocate is a bit like Facebook for Beer.
    But without the baggage.
     
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  8. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (299) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    The Great BA Purge of 2009??
    I wasn't around for that. More?
     
  9. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (7,019) Sep 24, 2007 Liechtenstein
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    I find this website, which is optimized for mobile, far easier to use than Untappd's janky app. Adding a beer to UT is hugely annoying.
     
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  10. Junior

    Junior Devotee (442) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    Oh good? I’m the only one. And thanks for explaining the difference between apps and websites.
     
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  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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  12. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (7,077) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    For adding beers on Untappd, I find that the website is much easier to do that than the app.
     
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  13. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    I've gone more than a few rounds with folks on here on my feelings with the BA rating system. I abandoned rating on here, for the most part, long ago for Untappd's easier single-scoring system. I argued that BA could (and should) cater to BOTH long-winded, self-important reviewers AND mindless, un-civilized tickers by allowing folks to do either—write a full on review using the look, smell, taste, feel, and 'overall' scoring method -or- just give it a single, quick 'overall' score with maybe a few comments (or not)--and then let people filter search results as they see fit. I was put in my place with something akin to 'we cater to folks who take beer seriously.' OK, well how has that been working out?

    Shade aside, I love BA and Untappd equally and for different reasons. I wish nothing but the best for both.

    But now that they are both under the same umbrella, my thoughts on this have changed. Whereas before I felt that BA should find a way to cater to a wider audience (old-school reviewers and new school tickers alike), now that they and Untappd are under the same umbrella and no longer necessarily competing, I see more value in keeping them separate and letting reviewers cling to BA and to try and show the new generation the way and to let tickers stay on Untappd where their scores and supposed hijinks won't sully scores on BA. Why meld them into one? Why not just keep them separate forever?
     
  14. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    :+1: We'll explore ways to work together and share resources, but I think my post made it very clear that we're not merging BeerAdvocate and Untappd.
     
  15. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    Sounded more open-ended than that to me, but what do I know...I'm an idiot.
     
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    From the opening bolded paragraph:
    And then in the second paragraph this is reinforced:
     
  17. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,684) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I disagree. About 75% of my usage of BA is from my mobile and I don't have any issues.
     
  18. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    I was mostly referring to the rating systems.

    From your FAQ post way up above.

    Can I sync my BeerAdvocate ratings with Untappd check-ins or vice versa?
    Not at this time.


    Not at this time...but maybe in the future??? That part is open-ended.
     
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  19. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    It is, but it was meant to be a simple answer an anticipated FAQ. That's it.
     
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  20. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (4,759) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    I finally had the chance to dig into this to some level of detail.

    First off, I'm glad for the merger. Untappd has an excellent and well-tested model for rating via app, and while it's more of a social media sharing app (kind of like distilling WBAYDN? into app form), if someone wants to use it for tracking beer ratings, it works, it's user friendly, it's - well, it's good enough!

    BA, by contrast, is really focused on beer ratings and resources. Our sharing threads are lively, but they aren't why most people joined (in my opinion).

    I think I speak for the average person when I state that Shangri-La is an Untappd app that links to the BA database, eliminating the "need" to review a beer in separate places. I know that's a hell of a bridge to cross, and might be too far, at least in the near future.

    Finally, I really appreciate @Todd getting ahead of this and being so transparent, including the anticipatory Q&A and links. Being cynical is always an easy response to any news, in particular business news, but Todd has done (IMO) a good job of getting things out in the open right off the bat.

    Hopefully this is a mutually beneficial partnership under the Next Glass umbrella, and helps to maintain the proficient and professional "little guy" in a business world increasingly dominated by conglomerates.
     
  21. ChazBoner

    ChazBoner Initiate (106) Jun 29, 2014 Tennessee

    Untapped sucks and homogenizing the BA experience is a step backwards in terms of keeping the site's unique identity intact.
     
  22. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,941) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    There are no plans to homogenize the BA experience, so no worries there.
     
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  23. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,419) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    How about flash pasteurize?
     
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  24. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (3,167) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Yes, but the flavor will continue to develop for up to five years.
     
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  25. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (373) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Uhm, you can quickly give numbers only without writing a review and people can filter out the "numbers only" with a check box.
     
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  26. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    Not interested in rating on 5 different factors every single time. Looking for ability to offer one 'overall' score.
     
  27. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (1,735) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    Click your overall score five times. 5 seconds. Done.
     
  28. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    yup 5x the clicks, no thanks
     
  29. Junior

    Junior Devotee (442) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    And having the different factors allows for addition granularity in the ratings. This is especially helpful when comparing two beers.
     
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  30. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    Not to mention how folks on here complain about that kind of behavior
     
  31. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    Not for everyone, but that's why you could choose to filter stuff out
     
  32. thebeers

    thebeers Poo-Bah (2,932) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    In the 1990s, I had a boss getting into the online bookselling game. He was insistent we develop one-click shopping. I’d be, “One click?” And he’d be, “One click!”

    “Why would anyone buy the same book online with five clicks when they could get it with one click? It’s gotta be one click!”

    Of course, Internet speeds were much slower back then, but it still proved prescient.

    The obvious trajectory of this for New Glass is no-click ratings. I am completely serious. Use all this “data” they’ve collected and create an algorithm that gives personalized ratings for every beer out there before you actually try it.

    Of course, you can change the ratings if you like, which only makes your personalized rating predictor more accurate moving forward.

    The advantage for the the user is not only the time saving, but obviously that there is a curated, personalized list of beers that he or she may enjoy. Link that to what’s new and available at local bars and retailers and you’ve got the next killer app in the online beer game. :beers:
     
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  33. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (4,759) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    Enough of the back and forth sniping and personal attacks. You can have a disagreement on your personal preference on how to rate a beer without resorting to childishness.

    The thread has been cleaned up a touch. Please keep the discussions civil.

    Thanks!
     
  34. pudgym29

    pudgym29 Initiate (74) Mar 14, 2009 Illinois

    Are you thinking of BeerMapping? Because yes, I was there also. :neutral_face:
    I am registered at Untapped, under this nickname (I think). But since Untapped requires a mobile telephone in order to use it, I have no ratings there. I do not have a mobile telephone (and will not obtain one for security and privacy reasons). Why Untapped would not allow laptop or tablet users to access its W-WW site is disappointing.
    I will continue to check in here at Beer Advocate. :grin::beers:
     
  35. mig100

    mig100 Meyvn (1,211) Aug 3, 2014 Texas
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    I think it's a great thing, especially considering that nowadays I almost always have to add new beers to BA.

    At some point over the past year or two this became the case. Also more often than not, I'd look up a beer online and see something like 1 or 2 ratings for it on BA and 300+ on Untappd.

    If the beer listings and averages got merged or at least included both here (BA rating/UT rating) that would be extremely valuable imo.
     
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  36. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,419) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I must say, your notion of an app like that is very smart thinking. Even though it's probably not something I'd be interested in for personal use, I can really see this becoming a thing at the expense of apps without this service if implemented properly. I genuinely think you should consider acting on it if possible... and if not, I think the folks here (and parent company) should be giving this some serious thought.
     
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  37. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Savant (938) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    This sounds like how Netflix recommendations work. The more you rate movies you've watched, the better it supposedly gets at "predicting" your scores on new movies you haven't yet seen.
     
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  38. thebeers

    thebeers Poo-Bah (2,932) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    Not a very novel idea. People have been talking about targeted marketing stuff like this for decades. Just hasn’t been developed fully yet — and the beer world seems like an easy one to advance it in in terms of data sets and monetization options. (Then sell the tech to others for the big bucks.)
     
  39. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,419) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I get that, but take the complement (:slight_smile:) 'cause its use in a beer rating app is what I find smart. Even if combining the two is a no-brainer, I haven't seen it put out there in black and white until your post.
     
  40. thebeers

    thebeers Poo-Bah (2,932) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    If you wanna buy out New Glass and put up the capital for some programmers, I’m available at minimum in a consulting role. :wink: