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BeerAdvocate Top 10 Beers (10 Years Ago)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pheurton, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. pheurton

    pheurton Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2001 Pennsylvania

    In order, 1-10 (Spring 2003):
    1. Storm King Stout
    2. Westvleteren Abt 12 (yellow Cap)
    3. Celebrator Doppelbock
    4. Two Hearted Ale
    5. Stone Imperial Stout
    6. Shakespeare Stout
    7. Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout
    8. HopDevil Ale
    9. Trappistes Rochefort 10
    10. Double Bastard Ale
    Seems very quaint by today's standards and the scramble for each brewery trying to out-big beer the next guy. Sam Smith's Imperial Stout could pass for a robust porter these days. Things have certainly changed...except Westy 12 is still hanging around.
    scubahood, SolarMikey, NWer and 14 others like this.
  2. RblWthACoz

    RblWthACoz Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2006 Pennsylvania

    And imagine what it will look like in another 10 years.
    kneary13, pixieskid, JohnnyMc and 3 others like this.
  3. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    In 10 years the "top" list will actually be changing in real time. You can't win trades unless you have up to the minute information.
  4. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    The only real change change with Two Hearted was increased distribution. If Zombie Dust distribution was increased to the point where it matched Two Hearted the same thing would happen.
  5. MooseBoose

    MooseBoose Zealot (533) Jun 6, 2007 Wisconsin

    So if my 2 favorite standard ipa's, favorite Dopplebock, and favorite quad are on that list, am I behind the times, or cool in a retro way?
    j47paco, MtnBiker, suspect and 20 others like this.
  6. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Was easier to know what was up back then without so much of the whale hunting & BS.
  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I second this. Looks better 10 years ago. Have Hopheads been multiplying?
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  8. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Kzoobrew toasts the Two Hearted.
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  9. Shmuffalo

    Shmuffalo Aspirant (238) Feb 26, 2012 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Very cool! Is there any way to see other dates?
  10. nrs207

    nrs207 Defender (687) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Except that Two Hearted is nowhere near as good as Zombie Dust.
  11. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,028) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Industry Beer Trader

    Exactly the same: (R)ISs, (D)IPAs, and Quads. Maybe a sour.
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  12. Rochefort10nh

    Rochefort10nh Champion (864) Sep 30, 2005 New Hampshire
    Beer Trader

    Boy Victory really went to shit, didn't they:wink:!

    It's a joke people
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  13. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Aspirant (291) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    Not that I'm aware of, mainly because the site is blocked from being crawled/indexed by Archive.org. FWIW, Ratebeer's list was almost identical back in the day (2007 seemed to be the point where they started diverging), so you can check this page to look back in time at their list: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ratebeer.com

    Click any place on the time line graph across the top to jump to a year, and then click one of the blue bubbles on the calendar to see the snapshot. Lots of links to pictures, user pages, and old articles are broken, but most of the important stuff is intact.

    edit: Here's the top 10 from August 2000, the first snapshot they have available:

    Beer Name Average Rating Rate Count
    Ayinger Celebrator Doppelbock 4.58 8
    Rogue Mocha Porter 4.39 7
    Rogue Shakespeare Stout 4.39 8
    Guinness draft 4.38 32
    Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout 4.37 6
    Samuel Smiths Imperial Stout 4.35 6
    Anchor Brewing Company Porter 4.28 9
    Guinness Draught (can) 4.27 30
    Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout 4.27 12
    Fuller's ESB 4.26 7

    edit 2: This is my favorite tid bit from that era:

    "The beer with the most ratings is Budweiser with 34 ratings."
  14. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Disciple (351) Mar 13, 2010 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    You can't taste the rarity anymore.
  15. dar482

    dar482 Poo-Bah (3,476) Mar 9, 2007 New York
    Beer Trader

    This is really awesome. I love how much craft beer has changed. Storm King used to be #1, that's pretty surprising.
  16. Dools9

    Dools9 Zealot (518) Jul 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    Two Hearted is awesome FWIW. Had my first last week and concluded that if it were available in my area, it would be a definite regular purchase for me.
  17. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2009 Maine

    Quite a few on there that still make me very happy.
  18. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Defender (641) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Westvleteren, Double Bastard, Shakespeare, Celebrator, and Rochefort are still top of the class for their respective styles. And Westvlteren wouldn't be the sole survivor in the top ten if it was widely available. Rarity and the rise of the IPA have changed this list, but you'd be more than happy with the 2003 list if you were stranded on a desert island.

    The current list will not change in terms of it being dominated by IPAs and imperial stouts anytime soon. People love them, and American craft breweries have mastered making them. The names will change simply due to rarity.
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  19. BlueRogue

    BlueRogue Disciple (342) May 1, 2011 Maine

    10 years ago I was drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade.
  20. dar482

    dar482 Poo-Bah (3,476) Mar 9, 2007 New York
    Beer Trader

    How frequently is the current list updated? Is it always changed or just yearly?
  21. Reneejane

    Reneejane Devotee (440) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    People on BA, now, are kind of obsessed with finding the rarest limited releases, and so, who knows what the 2012 or 2013 lists would really look like, because the vast majority of people won't have tasted those beers, although I suppose that's a bit like the Westveletern, too.
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  22. Nectar

    Nectar Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2013 New Jersey

    Which I think is the biggest BS aspect of this hobby. Its not good unless its rare.

    Oh well, ill just keep drinking my shelf turds
  23. shredder83

    shredder83 Devotee (423) Feb 21, 2013 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I like that two hearted is on there, that is still one of my favorites and the best part is that now its available year round.
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  24. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,454) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    I think the issue with Two Hearted is that it is distributed so much and is year round that many people get old bottles (I know it is dated) because they don't know better or just don't pay attention. It really is not that great of an IPA after 6+ months, so more people will give a lower score.
  25. tbryan5

    tbryan5 Meyvn (1,233) Sep 22, 2012 Louisiana
    Beer Trader

    Beer hipster
  26. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    My first Sam Smith Imperial Stout was a truly eye-opening moment for me, and I'm happy to say that I enjoy it just as much to this very day.
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  27. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Poo-Bah (2,459) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona

    A lot on that list makes sense to me. It's much of today's that is the one to chuckle at
  28. MetalMountainMastiff

    MetalMountainMastiff Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    I've never had Storm yet....I really should though considering you can buy single 12oz of it. But for me Stone RIS is always on top! reminds me a lot of Victory at sea...Or maybe Victory reminds me of it.
  29. jmgrub

    jmgrub Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2010 California

    Ten years from now, at least one of the beers on the list will be brewed on the moon, then transferred into martian cabernet barrels for a year to mature on michigan bing cherries.
  30. Cubatobaco

    Cubatobaco Crusader (718) Jan 27, 2013 Virginia
    Beer Trader

    Ironically enough I picked up a bottle tonight. It's next!
  31. MooseBoose

    MooseBoose Zealot (533) Jun 6, 2007 Wisconsin

    Haha, I'm not sure in my nid-40's if that's a compliment or a cut down. :slight_smile:
  32. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    We'll never see a lager in the top 10 again....
  33. Casedogg43

    Casedogg43 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    Great beers > test of time!
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  34. ALitteral

    ALitteral Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2012 Pennsylvania

    When I was in college, I would buy a case of Storm King for me and Miller Lite for the guys I lived with. They couldn't stand dark beers. Definitely one of my early favorites.
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  35. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Crusader (752) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    Doesn't matter. The classics will never stop being awesome.
  36. SubpoenaDeuces

    SubpoenaDeuces Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2011 California

    To be fair, Shaun Hill and Jean Broillet IV were still in undergrad so, cut BA some slack.
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  37. SubpoenaDeuces

    SubpoenaDeuces Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2011 California

    Kuhnhenn Blueberry Eisbock is a solid contender.

    OH YOU DIDNT LAND THAT 215 bottle $30 12oz 1 per person BOTTLE?

    fine then.
    luwak, cneville, jmgrub and 1 other person like this.
  38. Pecan

    Pecan Devotee (421) Dec 20, 2012 Arizona
    Beer Trader

    Pssh, dream on. That common swill won't make the top ten until it's been waxed with wax from African killer bee hives and hand numbered by the President of the United States.
    Barrelsnbeer, jmgrub and Zach136 like this.
  39. Momar42

    Momar42 Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Maryland

    Yeah the same way people continue to rate Stone Ruination 10th Anniversary low almost a year after its release. Boggles the mind sometimes.
    hardy008 likes this.
  40. Premo88

    Premo88 Meyvn (1,441) Jun 6, 2010 Texas

    seriously ... I love the hops and all, but sometimes I wonder if the American hop craze has gone overboard.

    I definitely love the older list because I can buy all of those beers. The current list? I may never taste a single one of them, which to me means it's nothing more than a regional Top 10.
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