Beers styles - IPA family

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by MNAle, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. MNAle

    MNAle Meyvn (1,422) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    The following is an official list of IPA family styles. This list has been published / recognized recently by RateBeer. They have not yet published their description of each (at least not that I could find), so the name is all there is for now.

    (Bold indicates a style Beeradvocate has a close equivalent.)

    IIPA - Imperial / Double IPA
    IIPA - Imperial Hazy / NEIPA
    IPA - American / West Coast
    IPA - Belgian
    IPA - Black/Brown/Cascadian Dark
    IPA - Brut
    IPA - English

    IPA - Flavored
    IPA - Hazy / NEIPA
    IPA - Milkshake
    IPA - Red
    IPA - Rye / RyePA
    IPA - Sour / Wild
    IPA - White

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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (2,394) May 30, 2005 Michigan

    You posted at 1:00 ET and it's 2:40 now with no other replies, so maybe the list is complete. HOWEVER, one could make the case for a New Zealand IPA since so many hops are grown there and an IPA brewed exclusively with those hops should be a NZIPA. Other countries could also fit that definition too (that's mostly the reason the the English IPA). And then there's eventually going to the the Imperial version of many of these. :wink:
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  3. hopsputin

    hopsputin Poo-Bah (1,772) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    In my mind, in no specific order

    American Black Ale covers the Black/CDA category, and it doesn’t need another label

    No need for a ‘flavored IPA’ category. I say that should just go in the beer’s description

    I think “milkshake” IPA’s should be grouped with NEIPA

    I’m not sure what a Red IPA is?
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  4. Zach423

    Zach423 Initiate (72) Dec 9, 2018 Massachusetts

    Milkshake IPAs are very different than hazy IPAs since one has lactose and tastes similar to a milkshake and one doesn't...
    If we're not separating NEIPAs and milkshake IPAs then why separate American IPAs from NEIPAs right? They even taste more similar
  5. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,193) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    H'oh boy. :rolling_eyes:
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  6. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,193) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    People are really saying that? Had a lot of milkshakes and beer in my life, never thought either were comparable -- even the muddy IPAs people refer to as "milkshake." Always wrote that off to appearance, not flavor of any sort.
  7. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Poo-Bah (1,849) Aug 12, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    What is a RateBeer? Never heard of it...
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  8. joerooster

    joerooster Initiate (29) May 15, 2018 Virginia

    I think Flavored and MilkShake should be in their own category, something like 'IPA w/ Adjuncts' as I like to know if there is an additive in the beer, it's not always clear on the label.

    What is a Red IPA? Seems those beers would just be IPAs or Amber/Red Ales.

    Brut IPA, no need, hopefully they won't be around for much longer and can just be left as IPAs.
  9. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Champion (852) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    We need the "IIPA - Imperial Hazy / NEIPA" over here.
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  10. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,266) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Official shmofficial. Just another list. :wink:

    RateBeer's main style page appears to be broken... which is "funny" considering the muscle behind them.

    You've also missed or ignored their: ISA - Session IPA, Pale Lager - India / Hoppy, and about 7 varieties of "pale ale"... some of which match the IPA breakdowns (like Pale Ale - Rye), while others (for the sake of inconsistency :thinking_face:) don't match (like Pale Ale - Australian / NZ). @PapaGoose03

    I'm annoying, so I get annoyed by how slashes either signify two terms that people use interchangeably or a grouping of related things... and sometimes even both in the same entry (like IPA - Black/Brown/Cascadian Dark).
  11. hopsputin

    hopsputin Poo-Bah (1,772) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    Personally, I’ve not had a milkshake ipa or NEIPA with lactose that’s made me think it’s needed to be a different style than NEIPA.

    I do see a difference though between the super hazy, no carbonation, no bitterness NEIPA’s and something like a Racer 5 or Lunch. Bigger difference in taste, mouthfeel, and appearance to me. I’ll admit though, that my sample size for milkshake IPA’s isn’t huge
  12. MNAle

    MNAle Meyvn (1,422) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Yeah, I missed the ISA... it blended into the IPLs. And, I intentionally left out all of their other styles, focusing on the over-abundance (IMO) of IPA styles. And, "official" only means it is by a site that maintains beers classifications and ratings... and not just a list by some guy.

    And, it is ironic (or something) that a site with such financial resources hires a company to re-do their web site, and they break it; it's been broken for weeks now, with brief periods of running correctly.
  13. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (2,398) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland

    Looks like a good list to me. I'm on board.
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,306) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    IPA discussion with inappropriate use of the term adjunct? My head just exploded.
  15. nw2571

    nw2571 Initiate (51) Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Just for completeness (not that I necessarily think we should have all these styles) I listed others on Untappd that weren't on your list. There might be others, these were styles that I've had.

    IPA - Imperial / Double Black
    IPA - International (really??)
    IPA - Session / India Session Ale
    IPA - Triple

    Some beers use quad / quadruple in their name, but none of the sites recognize that style that I'm aware of. Just a matter of time I suppose until we see "quints" :rolling_eyes:
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  16. CheapHysterics

    CheapHysterics Aspirant (221) Apr 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    So a New England IPA isn't in the same group as American IPA? But a West coast IPA is?

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  17. jakecattleco

    jakecattleco Poo-Bah (1,968) Sep 3, 2008 California
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    I can live without it, and can live without them too if it means more West Coast IPAs, pilsners, brown ales and ambers pouring from my local taps.
  18. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Savant (949) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    I dunno about that.

    I think there's a VAST difference between something like Sierra Nevada Torpedo and Trillium Congress Street. Everything from mouthfeel, to appearance, to bitterness, malt character...really the only thing that's similar is that they both use a lot of hops.

    Whereas really the big difference with a "milkshake" and a New England IPA is the addition of lactose and perhaps fruit. They otherwise both have subtle if any malt presence, low bitterness, full mouthfeel, juiciness...etc.

    Yup, they are saying that. I've had a bunch, they don't really taste like milkshakes (or frappes) to me. I think the name likely comes more from the use of lactose, their appearance, and the fact that a brewer will add things like fruit, vanilla, blueberries, whatever...

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  19. StJamesGate

    StJamesGate Poo-Bah (4,207) Oct 8, 2007 New York

    What goes into true NEIPA is unmistakably different - water chemistry, adjuncts, yeast variety - from mainline American IPA.

    Can't say that about West Coast IPA...
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  20. officerbill

    officerbill Aspirant (215) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Mostly Russian & East European imports, they're hold overs from old Soviet breweries.
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  21. Ranbot

    Ranbot Champion (855) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Red/Amber Ale + Hops = Red IPA

    However, there were hoppy red or amber beers in existence years before the trend to jam "IPA" into the name of every beer possible. Like...
    In Soviet Russia beer drink you!
  22. officerbill

    officerbill Aspirant (215) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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  23. hopsputin

    hopsputin Poo-Bah (1,772) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    Thanks. I had a feeling it might be something like a hoppy amber (was specifically thinking about Nugget Nectar lol).
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  24. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (4,907) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota

    Your not from around here are you?:stuck_out_tongue::astonished:
  25. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,723) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    As a beer drinker I find that depiction offensive ... I have a beard.
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  26. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,767) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina

    Only two, ones that I’ll buy , ones that I won’t.
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  27. nw2571

    nw2571 Initiate (51) Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Then of course there are the imperial ones you won't buy, imperial ones that you will...
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  28. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Devotee (485) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey

    At the end of the day they are all "Pale Ales". :grin:
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  29. thesherrybomber

    thesherrybomber Initiate (183) Jun 13, 2017 California
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    This is getting ridiculous...
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  30. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Savant (949) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Don't forget Budget IPAs, Mid-tier priced IPAs, Expensive IPAs...

    Oh and there's also the Canadian IPAs, better known as IP-Aye...

    ...and Fonzie IPAs known as IPAyyy...the list goes on and on...
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  31. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (2,394) May 30, 2005 Michigan

    I was going to suggest that it's time to end this thread, but then along comes this golden nugget to cause me to bust out laughing. I'll defer on my closing recommendation in hopes that there might be more gems.
  32. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Savant (949) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    You would have thought at this point we'd be out of "IPA puns" from the sheer number of IPAs that have been released, but apparently not!
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  33. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (4,059) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    I think the following additions would be improvements, as there are certainly differences:

    Imperial New England India Pale Ale (NE-IIPA)
    Session India Pale Ale (SIPA)
    Triple India Pale Ale (TIPA)
    Black IPA/Cascadian Dark Ale/Cascadian Black Ale (BIPA/CDA/CBA)
    India Pale Lager (IPL)

    (I don't think "American" cuts it with these descriptions. If it's hopped like a modern IPA, calling it simply "American" is a bit unspecific.)

    The rest I think fit fairly comfortably with other styles. The one possible exception would be fruited or milkshake IPAs, but I think you could combine those into one umbrella style: Flavored IPA. That could include fruited, sour, and milkshake IPAs.

    While we're at it, I think we're long past due recognizing Adjunct Stout as a distinct sub-style. A classic RIS or AIS has very little in common with a stout where the list of adjuncts requires triple the label space as the "style." Include barrel aged stouts in this sub-style if you want; call it Flavored Stout (and naturally Flavored Imperial Stout).

    In other words: I don't think a quadruple barrel aged imperial stout with maple, coffee, chocolate, vanilla, cinnamon, cardamom, ginseng, chili peppers, pasillo peppers, and oysters* belongs is the same "style" of beer as Old Rasputin.

    *Slight exaggeration for emphasis. You get the point.
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  34. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (4,059) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    Well, careful with that justification. I've seen tons of "New England" IPAs (mostly brewed outside of New England) with lactose and oats. It's not an attempt to produce a milkshake IPA (in which case you might also expect fruit), but specifically to replicate the mouthfeel of the beers that popularized the NE-IPA sub-style.
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  35. officerbill

    officerbill Aspirant (215) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Not an exaggeration
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  36. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (4,059) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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