Belgian Dark Strong and Flander's Red Recipe Critique

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  1. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    I am going to be brewing up a double batch here soon and wanted some feedback, mostly on the BSDA recipe; so here it is:

    8 gallons
    82% Efficiency
    60 Minute Mash @ 149*F

    12.5# Vienna Malt (61%)
    1.5# MFB Caramunich 120L (7.25%)
    1.5# MFB Caravienne (7.25%)
    1.0# Special B (5%)
    1.0# Aromatic (5%)
    1.0# Carahell (5%)
    2.0# Flaked Maize (9.75%)

    60 min boil
    FW 2.0oz Sterling ~6.0 AA%
    5min 1.0oz Sterling ~6.0 AA%

    Once the boil is done the Est OG is 1.068, split 4 gals each into 2 fermenters. Add 3/4 gallon of water to one bringing OG to 1.057. To the other add 1.75# table sugar boiled in 1 pint water @ high krausen bringing OG to ~ 1.085.

    Ferment the BSDA for 4 days @ 68, then 24 days @ 78*F with 3724 Farmhouse Ale, adding Oak in last 2 weeks (maybe blend of Sherry, Brandy, and Bourbons soaked French and American?)
    Ferment Flanders Red on French Oak with house sour culture & 1056 for 6 months.

    SRM 20
    IBU 22
    Est FG 1.015
    Est ABV 9%

    Big questions are on the BSDA. Will that much character malt leave this finishing super sweet? The 3724 is fairly powerful, finishing between 1.003-1.008 on smaller beers so far, but not with any character malts. Will that much sugar and corn in the beer leave it super thin and lifeless? Or help to balance out the character malts? I'm hoping for a malty, rich, complex, fruity and spicy, dark fruits, drinkable, yet big, spicy and warm finish w/o fusels, characterful Belgian, with a dry to semi-dry finish, and some complex oak/barrel qualities. Thanks for the feedback.
     
  2. ororke5000

    ororke5000 Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2008 Ohio

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    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    Good call on D2, that was part of the original thought.
     
  4. ororke5000

    ororke5000 Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2008 Ohio

    yeah, the darker the sugar the more of the flavour you will get our of it. i dont know how crazy you want to get with this but muddleing some plums and peaches and adding them to secondary would add some complexity as well.

    after re reading ryan's piece on sugar, making your own d2 should not be to difficult. perhaps the lime+nutrient at 30 is what you should shoot for.

    good luck!
     
  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    Yeah, Ryan's sugar sounds nice, but also way too time consuming for me to do... I think I'll do some D2 and look at making syrup some other time. One issue that I saw from his syrup method is how do I know what my PPG contribution is and how much sugar, water, etc is in a #, or 2, or 3, as opposed to a cup, pint, quart, etc. Def worth looking into in the future.
     
  6. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I would mash a little bit higher(154-156 F) to get a little more body, dryness will come from table sugar.I would use brown sugar in this recipe and would add it at boiling to get more caramelized flavor.I don“t know why you want to low down OG to 1057 in one batch,but it is up to you of course.
     
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    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    @Tebuken, thanks for the feedback. The lower OG for the second batch is for the Flander's Red so that it will be more along the 6.5-7% ABV opposed to the 9.5% that a 1.079 OG would get me. Would boiling the brown sugar on the stove with water for a little while give me some of the same caramelization as if it were in the boil? I would add cold water every so often and continually stir to keep from scorching the sugar. Thoughts?
     
  8. ororke5000

    ororke5000 Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2008 Ohio

    i dont believe that you would get anything from using brown sugar that you could not get from table sugar. brown sugar is simply white sugar that has molasses added.

    if on the other hand you use "sugar in the raw" might get you some more complexity, or using a combo of that, D2 and raw honey could add some really nice complexity.

    if i remember corectly Allagash Four uses 4 different base malts, 4 different kinds of hops, 4 different types of sugar and 4 different yeasts. that beer is super complex. wonder if there are any clone recipes out there you could use as an example.
     
  9. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I agree with Tebuken that your mash temp is low,however I think 152-153 will work better for your double batch. I would also use brown sugar. Good luck!
     
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    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    Thanks for all the feedback so far. For those in the Brown Sugar camp, dark or light? I'm assuming dark since from what I've read light doesn't contribute much flavor.
     
  11. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

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