Best of Australia Survey Part 2

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by mulder1010, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    Thanks for the responses and the dialogue. Much appreciated

    Part two of this will be some beer styles (only nominate 3 beers for each style and must be had in Australia)

    1 Best Pale Ale (Local Australian beer only)

    2 Best Belgian Style Beer (Aus and imported)

    3 Best IPA/ DIPA (Australian/ NZ made only)

    4 Best Stout (Porter, stout, RIS, Aus and imported)

    Lastly what matters to you beer wise in the next year in Australia? What trends you see coming and you think is important to the beer community in Australia?


    This will be open all weekend, as I think there will be some discussion on the last.

    Thanks again
     
  2. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    will start this off
    Pale Ale
    Murray's Big Wednesday
    Moo Brew Pale Ale
    LCPA

    Belgian
    Local 1
    Local 2
    Wicked elf Mad Abbot Triple

    IPA/ DIPA
    Rocks Brewing IPA-- Was a outstanding IPA on tap
    Mountain Goat Seedy Goat
    Murray's ICON

    Stout/ porter
    Mikkeller BA George
    Murray's Wild Thing
    Moo Brew Vintage Imperial Stout (11 at MONA)

    I think what I am most interested in is how Riverside Brewing does in Paramatta. What would be a local venue and local beer for me as I live in Eastwood.
     
  3. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    Pale Ales
    Little Creatures
    Stone & Wood Pacific
    Mornington Peninsula

    Belgians
    Westmalle Tripel
    Tripel Karmeliet
    Cantillon Gueuze 100%

    IPA/DIPA
    Rocks IPA
    Mountain Goat DIPA
    Epic Armageddon

    Stout/Porter
    Mikkeller BA George
    Murray's Wild Thing
    North Coast Old Rasputin

    The California-like growler laws/rules, where most places will only fill their own branded growlers. Living in a unit, i reckon i could run out of space real quick! With the rapid growth in growler-fills (sales in WA at present have been very impressive) a change here would be welcome.
     
  4. jbowers56

    jbowers56 Dec 30, 2008 Australia

    1: Mornington Pale
    Stone and Wood Pacific
    Little Creatures

    2: Cantillon Fou Foune
    Rochefort 10
    Cantillon Rose de Gambrinus

    3: Epic Hop Zombie
    8wired Hopwired
    Feral Rye IPA

    4: Brewboys Ace of Spades
    Black Tokyo Horizon
    Victory Storm King
     
  5. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    Big Wednesday
    LCPA
    Stone & Wood Pacific

    Mamouche
    Rayon Vert
    Moo Brew Saison

    Epic Armageddon
    Tuatara APA (yer I reckon it's an IPA)
    Epic Hop Zombie

    BA George!
    Wild Thing
    Beer Geek Brunch Weasel
     
  6. daysinthewake

    daysinthewake Nov 13, 2010 California

    Sorry to hijack, but this is interesting. I was pouring at a beer fest a month ago and an Australian lady kept coming back and telling me to try a beer called Little Creatures. Even made me look it up on my phone. Do you guys know if that brewery exports to the U.S.?
     
  7. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    Exports to Canada, from what I hear. Not the US
     
  8. MrKennedy

    MrKennedy Dec 29, 2006 Australia
    Beer Trader

    The website also lists exports to New Zealand, United Kingdom, Denmark, Hong Kong & Singapore
     
  9. spicelab

    spicelab Nov 6, 2009 Australia
    Beer Trader

    Local Pale Ales
    Little Creatures
    Stone and Wood
    Kooinda

    Belgian Styles
    Local 1
    Saison Dupont
    De Cam Oude Gueze

    Australian and NZ IPAs
    8 Wired Hopwired
    Epic Hop Zombie
    Mike's Organic DIPA

    Australian and imported stouts
    Wild Thing 2011
    Mikkeller BA George
    Victory Storm King

    What do I hope to see beer-wise in Aus?
    I'm keen to see more bold, original and highly flavoured brews in the 6-8% range. It would be great to have an equivalent to something iconic like Stone and Wood and Little Creatures in the higher ABV range - kind of like what Armageddon has become for NZ.

    I suspect the industry will be up against it both winning and hanging on to market share, as this country's preoccupation with the "next cool thing" will see many who have dabbled with craft decide that cider and whisky are where it's at.

    What is important for the Aus craft industry?
    I reckon it's crucial for more micros to break in to middle-of-the-road pubs and restaurants. It's amazing how much one or two craft taps/bottles stands out from the line-up of usual suspects. In my experience, even not particularly experimental types will opt for the craft option if it's there.

    Also think it's important that the industry fully exploits the concept of "localism" as a selling point and key point of differentiation from macro. They do this brilliantly in the US, and (I suspect) in NZ.
     
  10. daysinthewake

    daysinthewake Nov 13, 2010 California

    Well damn...
     
  11. dgilks

    dgilks Jul 14, 2008 Australia

    Local Pale Ales
    Stone and Wood Pacific
    Hop Dog The Pale
    Little Creatures

    Belgian Styles
    Local 1
    Mammouche
    Wig and Pen Flemm

    Australian and NZ IPAs
    8 Wired Hopwired
    Seedy Goat
    Bridge Road Summer

    Australian and imported stouts
    Wild Thing 2011
    Mikkeller BA George
    Wig and Pen RIS
     
  12. MordeciaFunk

    MordeciaFunk Feb 14, 2012 Australia

    Local Pales :
    Stone and Wood Pacific
    Feral Hop Hog
    Little Creatures Pale

    Belgian Styles
    Rochfort 10
    Bridge Roads/Nogne O - More for the concept and the collaboration with international brewers. I'm all for boundary pushing.
    Mash Saison

    ANZ IPA's
    Mt Goat Rare Breed IPA
    8 Wired Hopwired
    Feral Rye IPA

    Stouts
    Nail Stout
    Moo Brew VIS
    Old Rasputin

    The most important thing for me will be for the craft brewers to provide a united front and speak as one when dealing with the government, so they can get the excise tax relief and to also use their combined strength to be able to service the country, whether this be through keg shares etc. I do like localisation, but it would be good for WA craft to have more of a beachhead in Syd and Melb etc and vice versa.

    Also, the push for more pubs to carry craft. This ties in with my first wish, as excise tax relief means cheaper kegs ie. pubs are more likely to put them on, and also if more craft brews are available to a pub they will be more willing to have it on. So far because of pushing it with my overlords and the fact we support craft so fully at my pub we have managed to get craft into more pubs in our company's portfolio.

    World peace, or failing that, Mr Danieelol & Mr Mulder and Mr scmorgan to be friends.
     
  13. hawthorne00

    hawthorne00 Nov 23, 2010 Australia

    Good questions, these.

    Local Pales:
    Hix Pale Ale
    Little Creatures Pale Ale
    Kooinda Pale Ale

    Belgian styles:
    Orval
    Rochefort 10
    Cantillon Mamouche

    Aust/NZ IPA
    Murray's Icon
    Redoak IPA
    Mountain Goat RB IPA

    Stouts
    Great Divide Barrel Aged Yeti (scratch this if "had in Oz" also means no greys, I think)
    De Molen Hell and Damnation
    Amager Hr Frederiksen
    Fuller's London Porter (if needed)

    Important? 1. A balance between broadening (just more decent ordinary beer) and deepening (more niche stuff). 2. If you're going to bottle, try very hard and understand what condition it's going to be sold in.
     
  14. danieelol

    danieelol Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    "Great Divide Barrel Aged Yeti (scratch this if "had in Oz" also means no greys, I think)"

    I'd be very surprised if this beer was available grey to begin with
     
  15. hawthorne00

    hawthorne00 Nov 23, 2010 Australia

    Heh. That's Oak Aged Yeti. Oops.
     
  16. Parrotshake

    Parrotshake Nov 29, 2008 Australia

    1.
    Little Creatures
    Stone & Wood
    Kooinda

    2.
    Almost anything from Cantillon
    Orval
    Westmalle tripel

    3.
    Hop Zombie
    Hop Hog
    Icon

    4.
    Old Rasputin
    Peche Mortel
    George! Bourbonfadlagret

    I'd like to see good beer on restaurant menus, or good food at breweries. You'll never get a decent beer at place that serves good food (and often the meal suffers for the crap wine pairings you're forced into in lieu of decent beer), and you won't get above-average food at a microbrewery that serves food - I mean, probably. There are none around here. Otherwise, a bit less dishonesty in marketing. People who chose to be professional brewers were presumably inspired by drinking good beer. They know what it tastes like. So if you brew happen to brew a mediocre watery porter, for example, concentrate on it's strengths instead of telling me what a rich delightful word class beer it is (with hints of all sorts of shit you must not have ever tasted). We all know that Australia is a jillion years behind in the rest of the world as far as beer goes and there's not much going in the way of resources, mentoring, beer culture, etc. You're working on it, and we love you for that. Quit bullshitting us.
     
  17. hopswiller

    hopswiller Jul 17, 2011 Australia

    Wolfe , Duckstein (great surprise this one)
    Angus , The Old Brewery
    LCPA

    Saison DuPont
    Le Freak
    Avec Les Bons Boric

    Hopwired
    Hop Zombie
    Rya IPA Feral

    Odins Tipple
    HR Frederiksen
    Dark Force

    - looking forward to the growler scene taking off in Perth.
    Also hoping that the new nail / feral production site will result in more
    bottled Feral products.
     
  18. dansmcd

    dansmcd Dec 19, 2010 Australia

    Pale Ales
    Little Creatures
    Pacific Ale
    HopDog The Pale

    Belgians
    St Bernardus Abt 12
    Tripel Karmeliet
    Westmalle Tripel

    IPA/DIPA
    Armageddon
    Hop Zombie
    Feral Rye IPA

    Stout/Porter
    Sam Smith Oatmeal Stout
    Sam Smith Taddy Porter
    Renaissance Elemental
     
  19. shambeano

    shambeano Apr 15, 2010 Australia

    Pale Ale:
    1) Kooinda
    Stone and Wood
    Bright Brewery (had at the vic microbrewery showcase and it was fantastic)

    Belgians:
    1)Rodenbach Grand Cru
    Rocefort 10
    St Bernardus ABT 12

    IPA/DIPA
    1) Mornington Peninsula DIPA
    Feral Hop Hog
    Mountain Goat Rye IPA

    Stout
    1) Bear Republic Big Bear Black Stout
    2) North Coast Old Rasputin
    3) Hargreaves Hill Porter

    Looking Forward to Brewers continually refining and perfecting there staples, and at the same time creating new and exciting beers. I think there will be a lot more experimentation and more extreme beers being made, (for example, had a little tipple of moondogs 17%RIS at the vic micro-showcase which they are apparently planning to put into great southern distillery whisky barrels). Its going to be an excellent year in beer i feel.
     
  20. gulden

    gulden Mar 20, 2011 Australia

    Best Pale Ale (Local Australian beer only)
    Mountain Goat The Craig
    Two Birds Golden Ale
    Bridge Road Pale

    Best Belgian Style Beer (Aus and imported)
    North Coast Brother Theolonious
    Mikkeller Monk's Elixer
    Green Flash Rayon Vert

    Best IPA/ DIPA (Australian/ NZ made only)
    Barrel Fermented Hop Hog
    Seedy Goat
    Yeastie Boys Digital IPA

    Best Stout (Porter, stout, RIS, Aus and imported)
    George! Bourbonfadlagret
    Courage Russian Imperial Stout
    St-Ambroise Stout Impériale Russe

    Lastly what matters to you beer wise in the next year in Australia? What trends you see coming and you think is important to the beer community in Australia?
    Hopefully some more extreme beers and good quality IPAs/DIPAs and RISs, but also a focus on producing good quality beers on tap/cask and in bottles.
     
  21. heygeebee

    heygeebee Aug 6, 2010 Australia

    1 Best Pale Ale (Local Australian beer only)
    4 Pines
    LCPA
    Stone n Wood

    2 Best Belgian Style Beer (Aus and imported)
    Wicked Elf Tripel


    3 Best IPA/ DIPA (Australian/ NZ made only)
    ICON
    Hop Hog
    Big DIPA


    4 Best Stout (Porter, stout, RIS, Aus and imported)
    Wild Thing
    Peche Mortel
    Tokyo


    Lastly what matters to you beer wise in the next year in Australia? What trends you see coming and you think is important to the beer community in Australia?

    I'd like to see the Aus BA community grow.
    And get Tooheys off the damn taps everywhere. Stop the currnet takeovers...
     
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