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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by VeganUndead, Apr 7, 2013.
Redd's Apple? No one...?
Agreed. New Zealand's greatest export.
Black Note (by a hair)>BCBS>KBS
general consensus is this years KBS isnt as boozy as it used to be. Honestly didnt get any "hot" booze from KBS at all. Regardless, awesome beer. But the complexity and smoothness of black note is just amazing.
I know...I just thought it was a funny way to phrase that.
Hoppin Frog Barrel Aged BORIS!
I just changed my profile picture late last night. I am in no way biased towards hoppin frog... lol.
The BBBW from Central Waters is fantastic.
Bcs -> black note -> KbS
I haven't had Black Note since last Feb, but I like these beers greatly.
Black Notes > BCBS > KBS
However I just had a Peruvian Morning this afternoon. Good stuff!
The journey is what matters the most
I need a bottle of black note to compare since I don't think any bourbon barrel beer should be had on draft for this kinda comparison. But I can't imagine any beer ever touches a well aged Bourbon County Stout, it is just liquid heaven with a few years on it. Black Note I've had twice on draft and it was honestly just amazing in its own right. KBS is great, but it isn't in the same class as the other two imo.
Are you comparing aged BCBS to fresh KBS? IMO BCBS ages much better, but KBS is better fresh. Two different takes on the style that are both done well.
Yes I am comparing the two beers at imo their best levels. KBS is ideal around 6-9 months old. BCS 2-3 years depending on how hot it was fresh. I'd still take BCS fresh over KBS in a heart beat though I'm not sure how Black Note would compare fresh against Bourbon County...it also depends on the batch of BCS or KBS and I'm sure Black Note as well, since these are bourbon barrel aged there is a good bit of variance year to year and I'm sure even bottle to bottle as some barrels can just impart more alcohol.
Or to sum this all up. No beer can compare to BCS aged. Nothing I've had is even worthy of being compared. It is truly the best beer I've ever had and nothing is close.
That is your opinion and that is fine, I think fresh KBS is better than fresh BCBS though aged it is the opposite. Oh well I love both and have a few of each, maybe I will actually be able to age more than normal this year though I doubt it. As for best beer ever I will take Fou' Foune but that is a different thread.
KBS > Black Note > BCBS
...but I've never tried it blind. And the chances of me ever having the three together are diminishingly slim.
This really comes down to whether you like bourbon forward beers, or not. Most are either picking KBS>BN>BCBS or BCBS>BN>KBS. Only a few have BN first - I dont think it's a coincidence. If you like bourbon you pick BCBS first, if not, KBS first. Four years ago I would have gone KBS first - Now BCBS is my favorite by far.
The first two are almost interchangeable depending on whether I have a taste for coffee or not. The Black Note is maybe a half step behind..it's super smooth, but for me just a tad lacking in the flavor profile compared to the other two.
Just had bcbs and kbs for the first time in the last couple of weeks. for me its not even close between the two, bcbs is just bursting with flavor. cant imagine that there is a better beer out there. kbs was very good as well, just not in the same league. unfortunately never had black note.
Try yourself a pink lady or a picific rose and make sure it's rock hard...then sir, you will be changed
Each are so different and pronounced I doubt that blind makes any difference. All are great in their own right and I love all 3 in their own way and could never pick a favorite they're all that good IMO. If you like coffee you like KBS, you like chocolate viscous big bodied stouts you like BCBS, Black Note is lighter than BCBS less viscous more carbonation, but I loved the only bottle I could buy here..
They're each a little different and outstanding in their own way. Depending on what I want at any given time, I would take any of these.
KBS, BCBS, Black Note a distant third for me
The reason that the KBS was "the most coffee forward" is because it's a coffee stout, and the other two aren't.
A better point of comparison would be other BA coffee stouts, like BCBCS or Central Waters' Peruvian Morning.
I have a hard time picking between BCBS and Black Note. One side of me loves the in your face booziness of BCBS and one side of me loves how well everything melds together in Black Note. And KBS is completely different, I don't think I'd try to rank it against those two.
I've had (and still have a bunch of) all three. They're all so different. For me, it's BCBS>BN>KBS.
BCBS is just so flavorful and powerful, with a massive bourbon hit up front. I love it. And once you get past the bourbon, it's almost like a port.
BN is the smoothest of the three, and the bourbon is more balanced compared to the BCBS.
KBS (2013 from the bottle) is excellent, too, but nothing stands out as memorable. (On draft, 2013 KBS I had was a different beer -- thin, all coffee, and weak. Drain pour material.)
2012 KBS, right now, is drinking very nicely. It's mellowed a little, the chocolate has taken precedence over the bourbon, and the coffee has mostly disappeared.
I'd say it's BCBS>BN>2012 KBS>2013 KBS.
But I'd happily take any of these over most any other beer
I plan on doing this very same tasting soon!
Now that I have had all 3.
KBS > BCBS = Black Note
It's true. Pink Ladys have just the right combination of tart and sweet, with an excellent crisp bite to them. Galas and Fujis are alright, but can be sweet and overbearing. They're best left to mellow a bit. Whatever. This year's crop just wasn't as good as last year's...
What a great debate! I've had bcbs and bn...have a bottle of 1year old kbs that I'm afraid to drink! So far I would go with bcbs over bn slightly. Another great ba stout out there is event horizon by old hickory. They add some honey which is great and at 8.5% easy to drink.
Black Note is an otherworldly beer. It's hard for me to say that because I feel most of Bell's offerings are average and I absolutely love KBS. I had a few fresh BCBS and had a bottle this weekend with about 7 mos. on it. To me, Bourbon County lacks that niche character that Black Note and KBS have (Black Note with the slight lactose and KBS with the coffee/chocolate). I also find BCBS to be very thin compare to other big stouts.
They are all class beers in the end.
Yeah, it's hard for me to explain. The flavor profile isn't thin but the liquid itself doesn't seem quite as viscous as other big stouts. I'm not sure if it's my imagination as Black Note/KBS/CBS/Pt5 are quite sweeter....maybe?
I think the takeaway is that any of the 3 are great beers and really you could be happy with any one of them.
Throw in BBA Pt5 and Arcadia BBA Stout as well. All great beers.
I think you are going to be in the minority here. I would speculate that most will fit BCS both sweeter and more viscous than the others you list.
I never had CBS so I can't speak for that one, but I find BCBS to be sweet as hell and incredibly viscous. Opinions, what's the deal with them? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was really surprised at how easy to drink fresh BB Plead the 5th was though, considering it's ABV and all (I know the label says 11%, but isn't it 14%? I gather that they enjoy some "herbal treats", but...). Really glad a generous BA was kind enough to hook me up with a 4-pack, hope I can get another one this winter, that beer sure is something special.
I just did 20 miles on a kite buggy and a land board perfect winds...drank my first ever KBS, BCBS tonight.. Don't care what's better ...today life is good, my turn.
Haven't had Black Note yet, but had KBS 2013 for the second time last night and I know it's blasphemy but i didn't like it
Black Note finishes with an unpleasant bitterness for me that drops it well out of the class of BCBS and KBS. Like so far out of the class that it would grow old and grey at the back of my fridge if I had an ample supply of all three in there.
However, I haven't had the most recent batch.
Personally BCBS was by far the most viscous when compared to KBS - I think the extra 4% ABV is a testament to that.