Booth: Live Oak Brewing Co.

Discussion in 'Lager Fest in Cyberspace (2021)' started by Todd, Aug 18, 2021.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,172) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Lager Fest in Cyberspace (2021) Virtual Booth/Discussion Thread for:

    Live Oak Brewing Co. (Del Valle, Texas)

    Pre-War Pils; Early American Pilsner; 5%; 12oz can
    This 1912 recipe, mashed with one-third corn grits in a cereal decoction mash is a fine example of early American 1900s brewing.

    Joining us: Dusan Kwiatkowski (Head Brewer)

    Have a question for Dusan? Drop it in this thread and your question could make the live feed!

    Like what you're drinking? Review the beer and buy some merch!
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  2. o29

    o29 Savant (1,129) Sep 29, 2020 Texas
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    Since moving to Austin last fall Live Oak has been by far my favorite brewery to visit and enjoy craft beer from.

    As a brewer of primarily traditional German beers, do you ever feel pressured to brew trendier/more popular styles?

    What is one style of beer that you want to brew that you haven't had a chance to yet?

    Cheers and thanks for all the delicious beer! :beers:
  3. Tommixx

    Tommixx Initiate (0) Aug 15, 2007 California

    Pre-War Pils is great example of a historical beer style — the dumbed-down (not to mention non-Reinheitsgebot-compliant) take on the Bohemian Pilsner — by necessity — as early American brewers had little access to two-row barley, and needed low-in-protein adjuncts like corn (and also rice) to create that crystal-clear appearance of the classic European pilsners.

    With its light straw color, crystal-clear appearance, and especially the corn/cereal notes, it reminded me more of a kolsch-style beer, however. Then again, I am experiencing it in 2021.

    "Pre-War" (WWI) is a curious moniker though for a 1912 American beer recipe. Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne, was assassinated in 1914, which kick-started the Great War, which the US didn't enter into until 1917. And since Prohibition started less that three years later, and obviously had more of an effect on the American brewing industry than WWI did, wouldn't "Pre-Prohibition Pils" have been a more fitting name?

    Regardless, thanks for re-creating some American brewing history. Cheers/Na zdavi!

  4. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,826) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    With 1/3rd corn are you using 6 row for the remainder of the grist; and if not, were the beers of the time you're emulating using 2 row? Are there any concessions either way with regard to protein content vs. flavor?

    I've loved whatever beers I've had of yours so I'm really looking forward to trying this one.
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  5. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,659) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    No question for the brewery folks, but kudos for an informative and, hell yeah, hilarious video - excellent production all around...
  6. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,989) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Why Grodziskie?

    My understanding is that grodziskie (a pretty obscure style that was all but extinct) is now one of your more popular beers. You've helped other breweries learn how to brew them (shoutout to my local brewery Goldfinger). So I guess I am wondering how you guys end up being the US brewery to pull this style back from the grave and then turn into its greatest evangelists.

    Second part of this - do you lager your grodziskie?
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  7. LiveOakMyk

    LiveOakMyk Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2018 Texas

    Thank you! It was a fun video to put together! Hope everyone enjoys the beer and the session tomorrow!
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  8. MattWalker21

    MattWalker21 Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2008 Colorado

    Wow, Live Oak has a bunch of smoked beers, awesome! I remember taking the brewery tour when they just opened, way back in 1998 or so! Love every beer I've had from them, even the pale ale and I usually don't like that style! Got to make a trip down to try some smoked beers though (and of course the Heffe!)
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  9. Chefie

    Chefie Crusader (467) Feb 2, 2007 Oklahoma

    Great beer, how do you get it so clear?
  10. hoochlovesbeer

    hoochlovesbeer Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2006 Connecticut

    Two BJCP judges here and absolutely LOVE this beer and miss Austin, TX. We wish we could get your beers in CT. Cheers!
  11. beerking1

    beerking1 Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2004 Virginia

    Chip, lean closer to the mike, please!
  12. OATSandNOTES

    OATSandNOTES Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2020 New York

    What temperature would this Pre-War Pils have been served at back in the day?
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  13. Mohman

    Mohman Initiate (0) May 12, 2017 California

    why does this have a lemoney taste to it?
  14. Dicers

    Dicers Grand Pooh-Bah (3,400) Sep 2, 2012 California
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    Can you tell us more about your Tree Hugger? The inspiration and why after being brewed once it went dormant for so long?
  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,159) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Chip, your comment about two mashes causes this question. Can't the grits be mashed with the barley? Or did I misunderstand?
  16. rdruckenmiller

    rdruckenmiller Devotee (351) Sep 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    Awesome tap room! Soooo close to the airport too - if you're in Austin hit them up while you wait for your flight - it'll be 10 minutes to the airport via Lyft. Can grab a couple cans and hit the frisbee golf course as well. Top 5 non-local brewery for me (enough so I'd fly to Austin just to hit them)
  17. rdruckenmiller

    rdruckenmiller Devotee (351) Sep 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    Pretty sure the grits need to go through a separate cereal mash
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  18. Celogan123

    Celogan123 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2021 California

    Nice pilsner, not too harsh bit a tad light in body. No head or Lacing. Still a nice crisp beer
  19. CoffeeBluez

    CoffeeBluez Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2021

    Glad that you folks are brewing, discussing and honoring the history and traditions of this style. Good on you for throwing aside the snobbery against rice to produce an excellent beer.
  20. rdruckenmiller

    rdruckenmiller Devotee (351) Sep 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    Are you using the Weyermann oak smoked wheat or a different producer?
  21. cigardave

    cigardave Initiate (0) May 25, 2005 Oklahoma

    Hey Chip! How's about expandin' your distribution to your neighbors on the north side of the Red River?
  22. Mohman

    Mohman Initiate (0) May 12, 2017 California

    so no hazy IPA/heffeweizen mix anytime soon?
  23. kforster

    kforster Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2019 Texas

    Chip, I recently moved to Colorado from Austin, can you ship to Colorado, or do I need to continue to have my daughter smuggle it across state lines
  24. kforster

    kforster Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2019 Texas

    chip is great, Dusan is cool too!!
  25. JBird_MasterOfFestivities

    JBird_MasterOfFestivities Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2021

    Rad. Heading out to Austin in Oktober for a wedding and will definitely be in as soon as I land.
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