Bottling Sours! A question of timing...

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  1. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Hey all-

    So I have a handful of sour beer batches that are 'about there', but am questioning myself regarding to when I should bottle them. The brews that I have on the radar for bottling are apricot, kriek, framboise, and blackberry lambics. In the case of these brews, I added fruit when I racked the beer into secondary 10-12 months ago so at this point the fruit notes are fading, being slowly replaced with some funk (but not much sour), and I am thinking they won't change much going forward. They are tasting pretty damn good. Gravity readings have all been consistent for the last 6 months, and these brews all share the same Wyeast Lambic Blend yeast. I've read that this blend really doesn't get super sour (like I prefer), hence thinking that bottling now would be OK.

    While I know these brews will continue to sour and change as they bottle condition/age, just wondering if I should, or shouldn't bottle now. My main concern is bottling before all the fruit notes have faded away. Any advice from the sour-heads on here that have more experience with sours, or this yeast blend?

    Thanks!
     
  2. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,794) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    If I were you Id bottle them now. Sounds like they are about the flavor you are looking for and gravity is stable. As you said they'll continue to evolve and potentially get more puckericious down the line.
     
  3. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Agreed, no reason to wait if the gravity is stable. You may want to rehydrate some wine yeast and pitch that along with the priming sugar to ensure quick carbonation (to avoid waiting a few months while the fruit continues to fade).

    Next time, add some bottle dregs to get some more aggressive bacteria along with the blend. I also wait to add the fruit until the beer is almost ready to bottle, say 2-3 months out.
     
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  4. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Thanks for the responses!

    When I brewed my apricot sour I split the batch, with half getting apricots right away, and the other getting apricot a few months ago. I love both batches but adding fruit later is def. the way to go. I am going to blend them and bottle.

    Unrelated to bottling, I was contemplating adding some tart cherries to my kriek. I put it on cherry purée 15 months ago and I'd like to get a bit more fruit flavor back into the beer. Do you think adding a few pounds of montmorency cherries would still 'work' at this point?
     
  5. RStang13

    RStang13 Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2011 New Jersey

    I'm totally stealing this and will use it as my own... Forever!
     
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  6. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    No reason I can think of that adding a second dose of fruit would be an issue. You might consider repitching some fresh yeast to speed up the renewed fermentation, but 15 months isn't that old for a sour.
     
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  7. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Awesome, thanks for the info!
     
  8. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,791) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Slightly off and topic but related to our past convos... how is your apricot sour coming along? I went with 2 cans of puree for my 5 gallon batch. I just kegged mine up and will likely bottle from the keg. It is tasting great from my samples... I cant wait for the carbonated version. I used ECY20 Bug County and to me it smells and tastes very much like a lambic I would expect to purchase from Belgium. Nice and funky and a nice strong acidity. Cant wait to be able to drink this!

    Once I move (under 2 months), I will get a pipeline of sours going!
     
  9. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    I'm trying to not be biased here, but that 6oz blended sample of my lambic with the apricots I added a year ago, with the lambic with the 'fresh' apricots that I added 2 months ago was one of the best sours I've tasted, hah. The older fruit blend lends more funkiness, while the fresher blend really showcases the apricot. And its damn sour :slight_smile: I am crashing both batches now and will bottle tomorrow. It's going to be hard to wait 3-4 weeks for them to condition before I crack one open!

    Out of the fruit sours I have going the apricot is by far my favorite, although the sour blonde I have going that was fermented by Beatification b5 dregs and has 2 pounds of golden raisins is pretty amazing. I have some lambic aging that I will be adding apricot + noyaux + raspberry to later this year. Excited more than ever for that now.

    I'm glad to hear your brew is turning out great - did you use the Vintners's Harvest Apricot puree?
     
  10. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,791) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Thats great to hear that yours are turning out great too! Sounds like you already have a great pipeline going... very jealous, hopefully I will be there soon!

    I used the puree you mentioned. Off the bat, I was not too impressed. I let it age about 3 months on the puree and I am loving what it turned into... a solid knock off Fou Foune (I can dream right???)
     
  11. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Yeah I have around 15 batches of sours going right now, it's pretty exciting finally having some come to fruition!

    I just blended my two apricot batches into a larger carboy and will let it sit for a day or so in the fridge to make sure any puree that may have made its way into the blend drops out. Then bottle tomorrow night or Friday. 3 weeks won't come soon enough!
     
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  12. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (1,757) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Bottling complete! We should do a bottle trade when yours is ready :slight_smile:
     
  13. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,794) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Any recommendation on type of wine yeast to use?
     
  14. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Haven't had an issue with any of the ones of tried. Usually I use Champagne, it's really well suited to getting the job done and dropping out in a compact layer.
     
  15. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,794) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Thanks. Do you rehydrate and use some sort of dropper? Or just rehydrate and mix in the bottling bucket ?
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia

    Here's a question.. Would one be better than the other?

    Keg and carb a sour, then bottle gun off the keg, or just bottle it up and prime it with sugar/yeast and let it live like that?

    Other than the obvious work of now, funkin' up your keg, lines, and beer gun.. curious more than anything?

    I keg, but I've got some sours going, and was curious what others would do given the choice.
     
  17. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    I rehydrate and then mix into the bottling bucket along with the priming sugar.

    Bottling carbonated sour beers from kegs is certainly a viable option, but it won't avoid the risk of over-carbonation if there are remaining carbohydrates the Brett is capable of fermenting. I'd rather a bit of sediment to the additional effort personally.
     
  18. atpca

    atpca Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    Depends a lot on the beer though -- I've been offered a lot of homebrew fruit sours that were murky yeast bombs after the sediment on the bottom rose & circulated. Makes me want to try "Champagne Method" and remove the yeast plug after carb.
     
  19. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Maybe people adding fruit puree? I hate puree.
     
  20. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey

    Any reason you don't like using fruit puree? I don't have much experience with adding fruit to my beers, but when I have I've used puree for the convenience.
     
  21. OldSock

    OldSock Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Separating the beer from the puree is tricky when it is time to bottle. Whole fruit is much easier to work with in that regard. I’d rather walk over to the local farmers market, try a few samples, pick the fruit that suits the beer best etc. I pretty much only add fruit to sour beers, so sanitation isn’t a major selling point of puree.
     
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