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Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by chi16brew, May 17, 2012.
i see what you did there. i think.
$55 for a case of Zombie Dust? I'll take 2.
Long story somewhat short, last stop on my beer expedition for the day. Very small place (but still a chain, 21st Amendment, so no mom and pop feeling the pain) in a small town in Indiana. Spotted a large cluster of these guys and saw the price tag. Read closer, saw "Bourbon Barrel Stout 4pk - 11.49 each" Sounds good. Grabbed three, being the end of the day I was tapped out and paid full retail for one earlier. Wouldn't ring up, so I grabbed the tag off the shelf for him, which I then noticed it said it was for Bluegrass Bourbon Barrel Stout 4pks. I felt daring so I went for it. He noticed and said, "Funny, I dont see Bluegrass anywhere on these". To which I replied, "Huh, funny." Then paid and left. You can feel bad, but I dont. I spend half my income at these stores and on these beers anyway. Plus, its not like I cleaned them out. Theres still plenty of money to be made and plenty to go around for those interested in north Indy.
What a jackass.
Then you're that much more of a dick. Karma, brother.
Stealing is still stealing whether it's from a chain-store or not. And just because you paid retail price at one store doesn't entitle you to steal from another! This has got to be one of the more douchebag posts I've read on BA.
I had a similar thing happen a few months back at castle vav. Bought a case of Rittenhouse that rang up as $150 of tequila. I just couldn't see paying half price for something that was obviously wrong. In the end it cost me more, but I sleep better at night.
You're an idiot sorry. The guy is clearly in the wrong morally, but taking advantage of a price mistake is not considered legally theft anywhere. Now if you switched the price tag that is another story but dont go around accessing people of stealing. This is fully the fault of the store employees.
I'm not even sure how I feel about this. Honestly I'd probably pick up a 4 pack or two myself at a mistakenly lowered price. Maybe I am just jaded by the dozen or so price mistake posts on Slickdeals every day.
I'm an idiot? Read the guy's post! He knowingly took another sign that had a price listed for a DIFFERENT beer up to the register and convinced the employee that was what he was buying even though the employee said "funny, I don't see Bluegrass anywhere on these". It wasn't a price mistake!
If you don't see anything wrong with what he did, then you're the idiot man. Wtf
A lot, $27.99 I think. But it was a place a couple minutes away from me and I didn't feel like driving around.
Bluegrass Bourbon Barrel Stout(I had no idea) http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/395/58053 and it sucks which is why it was $11.49. So it was a switch and petty theft. I've still seen douchier things in this thread.
I went into Castle Vav last week and stuck a couple of Wookey Jacks in my trench coat pockets to hold them. I then checked out with my 6 pack of PBR, but they didn't charge me for the Wookey Jacks.
Let's assume that the guy isn't lying and that he pulled them off the shelf. They either had no price on them or just were not in the system. They were on a shelf with a sticker marked incorrectly. You grab it off the shelf you point out the sticker price on the shelf, the clerk even notices a difference in the name of the beer and still rings it up. If you think this is somehow theft you're retarded. However wrong it is you are flat out wrong on it being theft. Call up the police and ask what they think
It would be hilarious if this thread gets deleted because people are calling each other idiots for having/not having morals.
The fact you're even remotely defending him makes me question your morals too.
Oy. I wish everyone who shopped at my store were as honest as the lot of you!
If that were the case across the board, there would be no Three Floyds threads still active on BA.
If he did nothing wrong, why would he "feel daring and go for it"?
So let me put it to you this way. Lets say Oude Tart hits my Binny's and they just put it on the floor. I grab a couple bottles knowing they cost about $20 each. The clerk scans one and says "these aren't in the system. could you grab the price sign for me?" I come back with a price tag that reads "Stone 16th Anniversary IPA $7.99". She says "Huh, I don't see anything about Stone or 16th anniversary on these bottles". I pay and walk out.
Did I not do anything wrong? Did I not just steal $12 per bottle from the store?
We used to have to do some digging to find out who the real dirtbags were on BA. Thanks for making it easy!
You misunderstand me. I acknowledged what he did is morally wrong. However, it is undeniably not theft. Price mistakes, clerk error, none of this is theft. You can put me in the same group as him if you want because in my view price mistakes are a Grey area morally, but it doesn't make it stealing. Watch your wording
FWIW, Illinois retail law, subject to interpretation, and I will not enter into a debate as to the elements present in the story and how they may or may not match the descriptions below, but the key to the issue is the 'mens rea' (mental state) of the person at the time of the infraction. Here, the mens rea is called out by use of the word knowingly, which would be key in prosecution of an allegation of theft:
Sec. 16A-3. Offense of Retail Theft.
A person commits the offense of retail theft when he or she knowingly:
(a) Takes possession of, carries away, transfers or causes to be carried away or transferred, any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale in a retail mercantile establishment with the intention of retaining such merchandise or with the intention of depriving the merchant permanently of the possession, use or benefit of such merchandise without paying the full retail value of such merchandise; or
(b) Alters, transfers, or removes any label, price tag, marking, indicia of value or any other markings which aid in determining value affixed to any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale, in a retail mercantile establishment and attempts to purchase such merchandise personally or in consort with another at less than the full retail value with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of such merchandise; or
(c) Transfers any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale, in a retail mercantile establishment from the container in or on which such merchandise is displayed to any other container with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of such merchandise; or
(d) Under-rings with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of the merchandise...
In Illinois it is considered 'petty theft' and a Class 4 Felony if the value of the goods does not exceed $150.
In any event, back to the original topic of discussion please for those still looking for BCBS!
The way I was brought-up, deceiving someone and knowingly paying less for something than it costs is stealing.
You are right that this does not fit the legal definition of theft. However, it probably does meet the legal definition of stealing, which is about intent. His intent was to defraud the store.
Either way, it meets the actual, real world definition of a total dick move.
Tag switching is absolutely theft and you can be arrested for it if the store has proper proof. Several people in the Naperville/Aurora can attest to that after getting hauled away in a cop car from my place of work.
Edit: what lansman said.
Deceit isn't a grey area.
EDIT - Literally everyone beat me to it. Turn your brain on, dontcounttoday!
I also just wanted to point out that I didn't use the word "theft" in a single one of my posts.
Watch your wording
Anyone know where I can find some BCS?
oh jeez, we're all so impressed by your moral fortitude!
on with the BCS sightings!
If you can't find it for $11.49/4-pack, you aren't trying hard enough.
Don't want to quote that whole legal post, but on response to switcing price tags, according to the original post he brought the price tag off the shelf that the BCBS was on. Wrong tag, wrong placement of the beer, or wrong price in system none of this would be the customers fault. As for him knowing the price was wrong well technically he doesn't know the retail price at that store, and prices differ at every store. Clearly the price was low but again he only knows for sure the best nformayion the store gives the customer.
Sorry to drag this out and I really don't care who thinks it is wrong, all that matters is he was called out for stealing. I only have experience with electronic retailers in price mistakes, but there have been several instances I have seen on Amazon alone where something clearly has the wrong price, gets posted to sites like Slickdeals and not only do hundreds or thousands buy them up, Amazon in certain instances has to honor the price mistake. I've never heard of someone being arrested or prosecuted even when getting an item for 1/100th actual cost. Same thing often happens with price misprints in newspapers. To think this is stealing is beyond me.
Also what the OP did violates neither A, B, I really C, and I am not sure what under-rings means
It's 'cause he noticed the sign's mistake and still went ahead and pressed for that price. Had the sign actually quoted an incorrect price for the BCS, take it from a guy who's worked retail for years (including beer/liquor sales) that the listed price would be honored...then hopefully fixed...and no one would have had as much of a problem with what this guy did.
In effect, he knowingly brought forth an incorrect (lower) price, which, despite the fact that he knew it was wrong (hence the momentary hesitation and the frisky feeling), he expected to pay. Not technically stealing/theft in the strictest sense, but a major dick move that, to many, is tantamount thereto.
Then shut up.
Hah no. I don't like to see someone being called a thief or accused of stealing regardless of how little you seem to like his actions. Call him an asshole or scumbag and I'd have nothing to say.
I think the original guy who actually did the "stealing/dickbag move" is breathing a sigh of relief and wiping the sweat from his brow in relief that someone else is bearing the BA beat down from his actions
Would you consider that "stealing" the spotlight?
Well, it's about time this thread got shut down anyways
You're a saint.
You're on a site shared by retailers and consumers alike talking about how this is OK:
Why not tell the owner? Why not educate the salesperson?
I second this...
This kind of happened to me when I first got into "real" craft beer. I was doing a Pick a 6 at Binnys and didn't realize the shelf directly next to the "pick a 6" selection was the manager's desk which had several bottles on it and not just loose bottles that people didn't put back. I proceeded to fill my $8.99/6 pack selection with "Bitch Please" and "Bashah" that were on that desk. They never said anything at the register.
I came to realize next time I was there that they were selling both the BP and Bashah for somewhere around that $9/bottle mark, not for a 6 pack. I told the manager what happened and offered to pay the difference and he said it was their mistake and not to worry about making them whole.
If you say something you will help the owner/manager and they most likely would give it to you for the lower price anyways.